Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

I guess. If I told one of my investigators to start investigating one of my cases after the trial was over just because I was interested in the truth, they would tell me they are not going to waste their time, they have actual pending cases to work on.

I guess it would be impossible to know how people would have voted if they had a full investigation before the trial because that didn't happen.

 

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Countless investigations into Hillary Clinton's emails by Republicans, but they can't be bothered to investigate the assault on the Capital by thousands of extremists aimed there by trump on January 6th. Why? Because they decided that supporting the Cult of trump is more important than the United States of America.

 

The GOP Is Turning the January 6 Insurrection Into a New Lost Cause
Rewriting history has officially begun

On January 6, the day Congress was scheduled to certify the electoral votes in the 2020 presidential election and declare Joe Biden the victor, thousands of supporters of President Donald Trump stormed the US Capitol. They looted congressional offices, vandalized the building, and assaulted hundreds of law enforcement officials. The insurrection left five dead—including Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick—and marked a dark day in the history of the United States. Among the countless photos that went viral was one of a man flying a Confederate flag inside the Capitol. That such a symbol was still proudly waved in America only foreshadowed the egregious whitewashing to come.

Rewriting history is a staple of American mythology. Across the country, one can find people who sincerely believe that slavery wasn’t that bad, the Civil War was fought over states’ rights, and that, had he not been murdered by a racist, the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would’ve been a Republican today. American exceptionalism requires recasting the particularly ugly parts of our past into rosier scenarios. And now, just a few months after the insurrection at the Capitol, the Republican Party has laid the groundwork for repeating this grand tradition, creating their own version of the Lost Cause narrative from the Civil War.

It’s not quite right to say that the Republican Party is living in an alternate reality. They actually experienced the reality that they have now chosen to completely reframe. At a House oversight committee hearing last week, Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.) sought to dramatically downplay the severity of the attack on January 6, comparing an armed mob to a “normal” visit by tourists. “As one of the members who stayed in the Capitol and on the House floor, and who with other Republican colleagues helped barricade the door until almost 3 p.m. that day from the mob who tried to enter,” he said, remaining grounded in reality thus far, “I can tell you, the House floor was never breached, and it was not an insurrection.”

It’s quite an imaginative leap to be one of the lawmakers forced to barricade a door while a violent mob attempted to break through and still claim that the mob’s actions did not constitute an insurrection. But he was far from alone in this new appraisal of the event. As impressive as his mind-bending argument was—smashing windows and beating cops with flag poles was just another day at the American parliament—the GOP’s nearly unanimous attempts to engage in massive historical revisionism has one familiar precedent. If 156 years after the Civil War, millions of people believe that the Southern states were fighting for “states’ rights,” then surely today’s GOP can also convince them that the January 6 insurrection was just another protest.

Technically, the Confederacy only lasted four years, but in practice white supremacists have kept the dream of a pro-slavery state alive through the collective myth known as the Lost Cause. There are a few components to this cherished dogma. First is the racist belief that the Southern states that seceded from the Union in the run-up to the Civil War were righteous and justified and did so not to preserve slavery as an institution but as an assertion of constitutionally guaranteed state’s rights. This belief was further buttressed by the fact that Reconstruction—which was an attempt to reunite the country after the war and end discrimination against the newly freed people—was largely a failure. The failure of Reconstruction then further legitimized the fantasy that in the end the South was sort of right all along.

After the Civil War, former Confederate states were readmitted fairly quickly, a ban on former Confederate soldiers serving in the government was short-lived, and white vigilantes and paramilitary groups wreaked havoc across the states. Their approach was to violently overtake governments and kill Black people and any white people politically aligned with them, all the while passing laws that made it impossible for Black people to exercise their civil rights. For the Southerners who continued to champion the myth of the Lost Cause, this era, which was marked by unspeakably horrific violence against Black people, was often conveniently ignored.

Reconstruction expert and historian Eric Foner describes the myth as advancing the proposition that “Reconstruction was a vindictive effort by Northerners to punish white Southerners, that Black people were incapable of taking part intelligently in a democratic government. And therefore, the overthrow of Reconstruction was legitimate.”

Fast-forward to the weeks and months after the insurrection, during which hundreds of people were charged with crimes ranging from entering a restricted building to assaulting law enforcement officials in connection with the insurrection. For some Republicans, however, the suspects are the real victims. “Where is the outrage about young people being unfairly treated?” Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) asked at the same hearing. “Joe Biden’s Justice Department is criminalizing political protest.” This is rich coming from the political party that has dozens of proposed bills that stifle free speech and criminalize protest. It’s also the first of what I assume will be a deluge of attempts to rewrite history.

Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) also believes the insurrectionists are the real victims. “Outright propaganda and lies are being used to unleash the national security state against law-abiding US citizens—especially Trump voters,” he said at the hearing. “The FBI is fishing through homes of veterans and citizens with no criminal record and restricting the liberties of individuals that have never been accused of a crime.”

One possible strategy to set the record straight would be for Congress to form a commission to investigate what happened on January 6. Democrats are in favor of doing this and advanced legislation to create such a body. Unsurprisingly, the majority of Republicans, many of whom still believe Donald Trump won the election, are against it. A factual record would directly contradict the lies they’ve already told and will continue to churn out. House minority leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) opposed the idea of focusing only on what happened on January 6, because he disingenuously argued that the commission should look into “left-wing” violence like Black Lives Matter or other antiracist groups. “Given the political misdirections that have marred this process, given the now duplicative and potentially counterproductive nature of this effort, and given the Speaker’s shortsighted scope that does not examine interrelated forms of political violence in America, I cannot support this legislation,” he said in a statement.

Obviously, there is no reason to investigate liberal groups; the January 6 attackers had just come from a Trump rally during which the ex-president encouraged them to go to the Capitol. They were wearing Trump hats and waving Trump flags. But in order to reshape the history of what happened that day, the GOP wants to downplay it or even outright deny that it was an insurrection. It’s in this denial that the parallels between Reconstruction and the Capitol attacks are most worrisome. If Republicans succeed the way the South did during the Reconstruction era, the future story of January 6 will not be that it was a violent white supremacist attack on democracy, but rather that it was a heroic tale, a venerated Lost Cause for modern times.
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Skip to 4:33 to see the bat **** crazy.

After The Storm: America's Enemy Within?

 

I have to say I kind of agree with part of @StupidMoniker's point.
I think my posting history shows I thought, no matter the impact to Biden's first 100 days, the Dems should have slowed their roll in impeaching Trump before a thorough investigation. We knew that more and more truth would come out over many months, money following and communication sifting revealing new disturbing turds in the "Stop the Steal (sic)"(TM) campaign.

Getting things out of order, however, doesn't make it right to turn a blind eye to what happened. Not by a long shot.

 

lol

 

Yeah I know for a fact that I said at the time impeaching him or sending the articles to the Senate without a full investigation was a mistake. I get why they did it then (fear he’d try another coup in the final days) but strategically it was the wrong call. We don’t even know yet if “incitement” was the strongest case for impeachment to be the sole article.

It’s clear now with hindsight that he was clearly attempting a coup for the sole purpose of him understanding that he had to stay in office in order to avoid what was coming in NY. Criminal autocrats never retire. Trump knew this much that he had to stay in power like all his idols before him.

 

...you and @dobro1229 are a rare breed around here, @B-Bob.

Hindsight's always 20/20. But I think that's why our eyes are seated on the front of our heads, and not the back of them.
...(unless god or whatever higher being or alien intelligence you ascribe to, decided we humans would just look weird if they didn't put our eyes where they put our eyes)...

Funny thing about hindsight, in this particular instance.

The assumption seems to be that, given a satisfactory amount of evidence, and a thorough and comprehensive examination of facts, both ancillary and direct, would be enough to convince a significant portion of the "opposing" party of the seriousness of the situation at the capitol on January 6th...and all of its implications regarding the current and future health of our republic.

I'm going to guess that no one could have forseen the wildly obscene lengths that the GOP has gone to, to continue on with this stolen election business...after countless attempts to "decertify" federally audited elections...after repeatedly failing to present any evidence in a multitude of court appearances of anything other than their own incompetence and ignorance...after threatening to assign their "own" electors against the will of the vote of the democracy that they almost all swear to be going to these base lengths simply to defend or uphold or preserve...

Liz Cheney, and the other couple of House Republicans who thought enough was wrong with what happened on January 6th to go on through with giving the Donald the distinction of being the only 1-term President of the United States to be impeached twice, seems to suggest to us that all the republicans needed was due process to be followed...or orderly discourse conducted...

...as if that would have been enough to sway ANY of them, at any time or in any circumstance, from what most of them were already prepared to do...and to what they have all mostly said and done, in that wake and aftermath and passage of time that was supposed to be enough to convince anyone of what the hell was wrong with that thing at the capitol and why.

You two are thinking logically. You're also thinking nobly. And with more than a bit of naivete, I'm sorry to say.

What, exactly, has happened, at any point in time of any of this madness, that should lead any of us to believe that all that was required was a little bit more time...or a little bit more evidence...or a little bit more decency...

...if anyone so inclined was ever really after getting to the bottom of this insurrection attempt?

What has anybody seen now...that wasn't seen before...and won't continue to be seen onward...that gives anybody the impression that there was ever going to be a good or right or ideal time to address any of this?

Hindsight, to me, gentlemen, is a poor substitute for foresight. And may, in more than one accounting, have a bit more in common with blindness than any sight at all.

But that's unfair. As I've said, I believe you and @dobro1229 are thinking about this properly, @B-Bob. You've tried to see this thing from as many angles as you can manage.

None of this is about what you can see or show to people or find for people...the senate republicans, I mean.

This is about what people are looking for.

You never have to find the truth if you're willing to spend your time looking around for a lie...

 

Dude stop.

This commision would not be about investigating Trump, there has been no trial on why it took so long for someone to release the military or why was security so lax.

You don't even try to make sense anymore.

 

I don't agree I don't think this commision is or should be about Trump and his analogy does not fit because they are 2 separate things.

I think the impeachment was a waste of time but it was about the things Trump had done leading to Jan 6 and the day off trying to equate this commision with the impeachment is a reach IMO.

 

Seizing this liberal patriot's money was a bit much. Yes, he incited but he wasn't there to support the orange mound of lard.

https://www.businessinsider.com/cap...l-shooting-footage-john-earle-sullivan-2021-5

 

Appreciate your take. And to be clear: I never thought and still don't think more facts would change many minds or votes on the other side of the aisle. The whole thing smelled rotten from the jump, and I guess my idealism came from wanting a government that could assemble facts and take appropriate action. But your points look completely valid to me.

 

I'm glad they aren't letting him profit. I haven't seen any liberals support this man even though he wasn't a Trump supporter. They haven't called him a patriot, suggest that he would be mistaken for just another tourist, or tell them that they love him. Trump and/or other Republicans did exactly that to the insurrectionists from Jan. 6.

So while this guy was a criminal and there, the two sides still aren't equally as guilty.

 

Yeah me either. I don’t think it would have changed Republicans. If they were forced to vote right after certifying the election when all of them were freaked out maybe they’d impeach him then but anything a Republican has a strategy session with their lobbyists and the word comes down from the higher ups at FoxNews that they are sticking with him, they ALL will fall in line every time.

Where waiting to impeach would have been useful is just representing the full picture in a cohesive manner and rendering judgement in the public eye with all the facts in context.

 

I don’t see how it’s not ultimately about Trump. The guy literally tried a coup attempt and it’s obvious that if you had all the evidence that investigators would want, it would always point to one person. I think Roger Stone is likely the key ring leader in the end but in the end he’s working for Trump.

 

Conviction would've been the cherry on top of the sundae. They rammed it through because they knew Cons voting for conviction was political suicide, so they opted a mark for posterity and a bone for the outraged.

When facts are still disputed to this day, even evidence delivered by Jesus on a silver platter would be disputed and deliberated for months in the Senate

Liz Cheney was the exception, not the rule.

 

Ity may lead to Trump but you can't let that distract you from finding out what exactly happened.

Everything can't be in the service of trying to get Trump.

 

Yep its quite amazing and the irony about the emails:

"
Ivanka Trump’s and Jared Kushner’s roles in the administration are highly unusual and have raised concerns about the violation of federal nepotism rules, the risk of disclosing classified information, as well as the wide policy portfolios they have been given despite a lack of expertise or background in those issues.

In January 2017, as Jared Kushner received approval from the Office of Government Ethics to allow him to work in the White House, it was initially reported that Ivanka Trump would not take a formal role in the administration. After it was announced in late March 2017 that she would officially become a federal employee in the White House, American Oversight submitted FOIA requests seeking communications between Ivanka Trump and several federal agencies, eventually filing a lawsuit against the agencies for failure to respond.

In September 2017, documents released by American Oversight as well as independent news reports confirmed that both Kushner and Ivanka Trump had been using personal, private email accounts during their time working in the White House. Reports also surfaced that they had set up a private server, ijkfamily.com, in December 2016 in preparation for Kushner to join the White House."

The fiscal conservative policies tump touted and many of his cabinet had screamd about balancing the budget in years, trump of course said he'd do it easily in the first couple years..nah more federal spending and over reach then Obama

Foreign intervention, he didn't start a new war, hats off, but when it came to removing troops, he still sends troops to Saudi, saying they paid for it. Not a word.

The irony of this presidency and his devout followers, not supporters, followers will go down in the hall of shame as the closest we got to bringing King George back not to mention chants for a monarchy of his family should be running the govt with full control and also future administrations passed down to kids.