Tensions over Palestinian evictions in East Jerusalem boil over

So you are Warren, Bernie and AOC fans as they are some of the only politicians who sincerely are fighting to remove money from politics?

And no, it's mostly capitalist intentions for the vast majority of foerign aid. More Ford Focuses and iphones to sell to more people in developing countries the more we help with their developing infrastructure. These countries also then rely on US contractors for these infrastructure projects and that provides more revenue for American companies.

 

too long to quote in its entirety but worth a look

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/im-fed-up/

excerpt:

Israel is currently engaged in the most precise counter-terrorism operation in history, calling ahead to warn Gazans of their next target, preparing to go in on foot (knowing that young Israelis will get killed) in order to minimise civilian casualties on the Palestinian side. I’m fed up of anyone using that word as a way to criticise Israel. It’s lazy and meaningless.

Israel is not perfect but offers equal rights to all citizens and has Arab citizens in every part of society, from Supreme Court Judges to Members of Parliament to University Professors, whilst the Hamas Charter calls for every Jew to be killed, anywhere in the world. Including me. Are you anti-racist? Did you post a black square? Did you take a knee? IF YOU ARE ANTI-RACIST THEN YOU SHOULD STAND AGAINST HAMAS.

I’m fed up of people who are liberal in every other sense, misplacing their concern in this situation. Israel has the only Pride Weekend anywhere in the Middle East, an incredible celebration of love held in Tel Aviv every year and enjoyed by thousands of people from all around the world. Meanwhile, Hamas throw gay people off rooftops. IF YOU ARE AGAINST HOMOPHOBIA, YOU SHOULD STAND AGAINST HAMAS.

Israel has more elections than any other Middle Eastern country, allowing all civilians the right to vote, from Jewish men to Muslim women. Meanwhile, Hamas will never hold an election, and in the West Bank, Mahmoud Abbas is in the 16th year of his 4 year term, and just cancelled the forthcoming elections. IF YOU BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY, YOU SHOULD STAND AGAINST HAMAS.

By the way, standing against Hamas does not make you ‘anti-Palestinian’. I would argue that if you stand against Hamas, it means you care about the welfare of Palestinian people and want them to prosper.
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more at the link

 

Ring ring...

"Yes hello?"

"We are about to blow up your home and school"

"Okay thanks for being so kind. I'll promplty move from one stack of rubble to the other".

And just like with our "war on Terror", Israel's actions create great recruitment fodder for the very thing they are trying to eliminate.

 

The wall makes it hard for sure for the amateurs."
When it comes to people in the country without proper documentation, the majority of them didn't cross the Mexican border at all. Most of them came to the United States legally — but then don't leave.

About 700,000 travelers to the United States overstayed their visas in fiscal 2017, the most recent year for which the Department of Homeland Security has published figures. DHS estimated that, as of Sept. 30, 2017, the end of that fiscal year, more than 600,000 of those travelers were still in the U.S.

During that same year, there were just 300,000 apprehensions along the Southern border, according to Customs and Border Protection — the lowest number since 1971.

Visa overstays have outnumbered people who enter the country illegally at the Southern border every year since 2007, according to a report by the Center for Migration Studies. The report's authors estimate that the number of total visa overstays was 600,000 more than the total number of border crossers and that in 2014, visa overstays accounted for two-thirds of all new undocumented immigrants.

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It makes sense to organize and "make a line" for immigration. To do it in a more orderly manner. Also at the same time, what does it have to do with america?I'm tlaking about gangs, I''m talking in regards to families and workers, even remember the presidents hotels as do many in the world use the visas just to bring in seasonal workers..many over stay

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...t-at-least-1100-workers-idUKKCN0Q62RQ20150802

Their claim? That no americans will take those jobs. No the other part of immigration is our agriculture sector. You ever drive by farmland? Old yeller and uncle joe aren't smiling on their tractor and horse, its a different set of economics, not getting into the crazy amount of subsidies we give to Soy/Corn. But the workers are almost entirely all illegals, arguable no one will subject themselves to current farming conditions and risks outside of them for that little pay. So be prepared for agriculture folds or massive increase in prices...for Americans...so thats why some of this stuff is more interrelated and connected

Furthermore, Trump brought up great points with China and manufacturing. but did he have a solution? https://money.cnn.com/2016/03/08/news/economy/donald-trump-trade/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...rica-goods-lot-his-merchandise-couldn-n893656

-Almost all of his and Ivankas licensed brand were typically made in China. Its absurdfrom the trade in the 90s(F u bill, biden) Continuing on and complacent up until now has made it so that its cheaper to ship material there, manufacture and send it back.

But the politicians we hire have been good at just that, hypoerbole of screaming things that rile people up, point fingeres, sustain themselves in power while very slow or little "meat" to get things done.

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So funding israel is an interesting thing.
We give them significant aid, they buy weapons from us almost from that said aid back. That money goes to private arms companys
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

-Remember how almost all our presidents say they will remove troops, well not those patriotic troops who deserve to be hone unless its necessary..well not if saudi pays for it

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/idOVB0NSTSV

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...rican-troops-to-saudi-arabia-for-cash-936623/

_ now we got he corageous guy who voted for the iraq war, the drug war...yea he's shown to be real bold here too.

But generally, Most countries we give aid to aren't loyal to us bc we got a cool flag and great hot dogs.
Its like what you ehar about 'lobbying', 'earmarks' in our own country, its to put a thumb on influence so that when we want to exude international pressure on something, we have the consolidation of big and small countries. This may especially help with the growing soft and strong power of debts owned by china...almost all around the world. So all those we keep american money here, well the circle and complexities show it might help us lose. but don't worry, it makes for hell of a rallying headline.

Geopolitics suck. It isn't digestable in 13 words or less. if we continue to have politics and leadership run through that, we'll end up with a continued reality show version of presidency with Kimmy K running criminal justice reform, and on the otherside finding somone of the right 'color/gender' to sign a stupid policy but make it look right

 

Its true, the mentality of 'religion' spills over into politics. Obama was a god to his followers, hard to critisize him. Donald trump was a god to his followers, to this day they can't see even if he lies to their faces and he has even said that, yet they won't buy it. Biden and kamala, someehow, have their own followings to laugh at their every joke and not see both of their abysmal records.

Its what I mean by the rabid followers of any of them, also with trump this last generation was the closest thing we saw to King George. You must give thanks, you must give praise, deny fervently any flaws or cover them up, it was embrassing to see people who consider themselves conservatives, small government, fiscally responsible, for checks and balance, or even



Nation building and 'instilling' democracy didn't work for israel when they wanted a counter to Yasir, it didn't work for us in Iraq, or many other places. Democracy is so based on informed citizens(problem here at the moment) otherwise its easy to maniuplate and you can say like Putin and China, oh yea we were democratically elected. You can agree with that ideal, but getting it done is another business and now sadly enough, our last adminstration negotiated back with Taliban, espouching the values we tried to avoid, and they have regained power in Afghanistan. All those trillions, all those lives..don't forget for a some amoutn of years, including steve Nash, if you said the war might not be a great idea...you we're unpatriotic. Remember that when people are focusing on trivial surface level representations as 'patriotic' rather than questioning policy which is...what democracy is. a for us by us, not salute to you're leader and shut up. That was troubling when trump pushed that, its troubling when any of them have and done.


So if something good came out of the 'disruptor'. ITs the possiblity of a 3 party mold and hopefully more. This D vs R situation has us broken in to tribal sports like teams, easy to divide and conquer to be loyal to your side, point fingers at other, and all of them take donations, look out for numero uno, the people suffer...the only winners? The media pandering to their teams and politicians who stay way past their popularity date, american people lose and drown while pointing fingers defending the suits. We can do better.

 

Israel has a right to defend ourselves. This is more akin to if you lived in a building and some delquents were throwing **** and killing people that they will take out the whole building, school, hospital next to it. There are reasons we talk about iran or syria hurting their own people and we have war rules.

The other factors are, do you know much about Gaza? did you know that israel controls their water supply, their electricity, even medicine , nothing can be brought in, not even international aid medicines often are rejected. They live in a small cramped area while their schools, hopsitals are torn down. their old land that think about it their grandparents, their parents, and they grew up in are deemed 'historical or military use' and then eventually settled into by others.

Thats why they are given a lot of sympathy in the international scene. What would you do if israel is attacked is agood question/ hamas is a terrible actor, but don't simplify this to this guy pushed this guy so he punched him back. This is international geopolitics, if someone took your land that youre family has stayed for generations, then you put you in an open air prison where you can't leave and the borders are surrounded, your kids school has been blown up, hospital too, you don't have clean water, finding an economy where the movement of goods are also entirely controlled by your occupied force is impossible and its hilarious they then goto the media and say' look at these animals they cant even create and economy'. Its a matter of should they surrender and they are desperate.

Israel is a great coutry, amazing contributions, and forever will be an inspiration the way the community resiliently got back from the holocaust. just like America is an incredible story, doesn't mean that the leadership is good at this time. Even in our great democracy, the past 8 years or so half the populace felt disenfranchised one way or another. Likewise Their current prime minister is more about him first, hes currently under indicment. His kid was on mike bragging about asking for al oan for prostitutes saying his dad helped the other guys dad get billions more so a fevent israel donor in america said netanyahu's kid demanded kick backs for him ust to open a charity office in israel. 'but the tribalism and memorizing the words 'this is a witch hunt' rallies the base to simplify and defend like morons. None of this is simple and easy. Hamas is obviously a bad actor, and Netanyahu is a self serving provocateur where peace doesn't make relaly make it helpful for him to stay out of being indcited and sentenced for corruption.

 

I'm not a fan of those people just because they've paid lip service to something I agree with.

And capitalist countries aren't the only ones involved with foreign aid historically. It's not simply a matter of we want to sell Fords. Also you can have capitalism and not send tax money to other countries. This is an issue of globalism/Imperialism; not capitalism.

 

We are missing people who bring the Middle East together
Like Michael

 

Theres a reason why Fox and other right wing outlets create culture wars so you are made to despise people like AOC. Because they know on the issues of 2021, there’s a lot to agree with policy wise.... mostly getting money out of politics both here in our election system (overturning the Supreme Court decisions that allowed elections to be bought off), and as you and fchow are alluding to, having our tax payer dollars utilized primarily in the US CITIZEN interests.

I don’t really follow what the term Capitalist Intentions means as that’s sort of a broad term here which you can explain more if you want, but I think the issue IMO is tax payer funded “foreign aid” that is used as a tool to influence foreign leaders to do whatever the party holding the presidency wants for a political agenda here domestically rather than having this batch of tax payer funded foreign aid that literally is designated in an apolitical fashion to serve our interests and pure humanitarianism.

Greatest example of good use of foreign aid is vaccines for 3rd world countries and pandemic prevention. Stopping the next pandemic in its tracks before it gets here. You are protecting Americans by helping the world. That’s sort of “Foreign Aid” 101.

A bad use of Foreign Aid to someone like Bernie Sanders would be allowing a president billions of dollars that’s used in the Middle East that ends up going towards weapons to one country who then bombs innocent women and children in another Middle East country that serves no threat to the US in exchange for the first Middle East countries leader coming to the US in a summit to talk about how the US president is the greatest thing since sliced bread... or worse (where Trump was a liability) that Middle East leader signing off to build Trump tower wherever.

So yeah if that’s what both of you are getting at with foreign aid I think there’s more agreement with the large consensus of voters on both sides to get money out of politics here and globally.

Which is why to my point... why FoxNews wants viewers like yourself focused on “cancel culture” and BLM and Antifa. They are very worried you actually might agree on some of the same issues we actually have solutions for.

 

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...is-a-misnomer-and-a-propaganda-weapon.215965/

I guess calling someone an anti-semite could be used in a similar way, to suppress any legitimate criticism. But when you look at that mondoweiss website, at its core, it's not about criticizing elements of an ideology (like criticizing elements of Islam as an ideology which go against rights of women, gays, Jews, etc.); but fundamentally, mondoweiss is about questioning Israel's right to even exist. And thereby questioning the right of Jews to exist. And that's the tonality of glynch's posts as well. That's different from criticizing an ideology.

 

Obama was god to his followers?

Biden and Kamala have followers that somehow laugh at thier jokes?

WTF?

I have no idea what you are going on about here but Biden and Kamala certainly have no fans that fawn over them like Trump and the shine on Obama was gone after a year did you not see what happened when he proposed ACA?

I don't know why you are trying to equate these people with the cult of Trump.

 

Well in the Middle East,
aren't there a bunch of Muslim Countries? you know Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, but only one Jewish One?
I guess they can make more Jewish Countries, but that wouldn't make people there happy.

I personally would have zero countries based on religion, but that's not how humans think or programmed.

oh the good old days of the Ottoman Empire

 

What is going on is defenders of Apartheid in Israel are getting upset that crying anti-semitism and shouting folks down so they want to avoid conflict ( an extreme version of what is now called "cancelling" is not working as well.

 

An interesting video explaining 1) how Israel is guilty of the crime of "Apartheid" and 2) how the Israelis ala "divide and conquer" tactics have divided the Palestinians, who have drawn equal to the number of Jews in Israel into 4 different groups with different "passports" or identity cards with different rights.
The 4 groups are from fewest to increasing rights 1) 2 million in Gaza a rectangle of 140 sq miles with even food and electricity etc totally controlled by Israel. 2) The West Bank 2.7 millions peppered with 100 or so Settler colonies. No voting rights in Israel, access only to military courts and virtual no access to the rest of Israel 3) 400,000 residents of Jerusalem who cannot vote and have restricted access to much of Israel, but can fly out of the international airport. and 4) the Israeli citizens of Israel about 1.7 million -- the minority of the Palestinians who were not ethnically cleansed in 1948. This group can vote and unlike the other groups are vital to the Israeli labor markets in such fields as heath care. The "48ers" who joined in a general strike were a threat to the Israeli economy and their participation, along with declining support for Zionism among Americans, particularly younger Jewish Americans may explain Israel's motivation to cut short their bombing.

 

It's because despite the lip service (which they don't even pretend to talk about anymore) the now Republican Trump party is championing Aparheid here in the US as we speak. Up until 1965 the US was an White Ethno nation, but over the years with Reaganomics taking hold with the help of the billionaires who control the wealth, the progress we've made now is on the verge of slipping back into where we were back then.... and they are obvious and blatant about it (see "audit" in Arizona, and laws coming in 47 states).

They aren't defending Israel as much as they are defending their core beliefs in governing by strongman take land from the weak mentality colonialism that has ALWAYS been party of this countries culture, but lately has become the core governing principle of the Republican MAGA party.

The use of Anti-Semitism in order to shut down the conversation is a tactic yes... but it's not with a glaze of irony that they are trying to link back sympathy to NETANYAHU's party as though it is the sole representation of Holocaust survivors which is nonsense. The truth is Netanyahu does not speak for even the majority of Israeli's which is why he cannot form a government and keeps on having to run for election over and over again with no successful government being able to be formed.

What happened to the Jewish people in Europe was the ultimate monstrocity and crime against humanity. So if ANYONE should understand the dangers of ethno cleansing and forcing an ethno nationalist apartheid country, it should be Israel...... and I actually think MOST Israeli's want nothing to do with that... but it just so happens that the furthest right wing extremists with the help of the US's far right fascists impose their agenda over and over again... and Hamas only get's more relevant the more the Israeli right wing, and the US right wing force their agenda on Gaza.

The only answer here is for Apatheid here in the US to NOT succeed, and for the US to come out of this nightmare with a reformed Democracy. Then our Allies will have an easier time holding their democracies together, and make it more likely that Israel stays democratic which helps have a more formadable alliance that can help stabilize the middle east.

 

Anti-Semitism is a real thing, history shows we shouldn't take it lightly.

What I'm trying to get at is how it seems blurred at times when people are trying to critisize Netanyahu and his policies, or even as teh above poster, even aipac. Not all jews support it, and many don't support netnayahu to the point that hes struggled to form a government a few times over. There are interesting jewish organizations that provide a counter view point to aipac too.

So thats thet issue of the bluehttps://www.sfgate.com/politics/art...ciated-Press-Israel-Palestine-AP-16192391.php
-here we recently saw a jewish journalist get cancelled and fired bc she was in a free palestine group...in college.


Its as if when they said its racist ant anti-asian to critisize the CCP and pooh bear Xi.

As if its racist to critisize Modi and his policies.

As if you're un-american or not patriotic to ask questiosn about the iraq war or trump's policies etc saying if you don't like it here , then get out which ironically takes away the whole point of a democracy which is to shape our union.

-Terrible terrible Saudi, MBS is a crook...am I anti muslim now too?

-I don't know why those catholic priest molesting boys aren't in jail...am I anti-catholic now?

Its a slipperly slope when any group, politician, or anyone says criticism is not allowed

its as if you critisize tilman, you're a fake rockets fan




https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...el-palestine-jewish-american-support-1172309/
-so like the above writer, is this jewish person anti Semitic?

Also are there words for prejeduice against Christians or Muslims like ughiurs or rhongiya, do we have one for anti black or asians since that has been in headlines, or does everyone else fall into racisim or hate crime?