Caris LeVert, the Rocket who isn’t, thread coming soon... “No Caris, no Jarrett. All we got is Brictor Loladipo!”
Taking the Bucks pick over Allen was the right move. You could argue whether we would better off taking LeVert over Oladipo. But Oladipo got us Olynyk.
Whew, I don't even disagree, but this really shows how much lower our collective expectations are as a fanbase than they were just a few short months ago... I like Olynyk, and I hope we keep him on a reasonable deal. But can you all imagine the chaos around here if we had gone straight from Harden to Olynyk, rather than being months removed via LeVert & Oladipo and losing countless games inbetween?
I guess at this point I prefer the pick, but I can see the argument for getting a large trade exception plus possibly a 2nd round pick to sign and trade Jarett, if we had kept him, of course. It's always nice to have large trade exceptions for flexibility purposes. Either way, not mad at getting the pick. Not happy about the Harden trade, but hard to judge until a few years down the road.
Especially here, I can see Jarrett Allen playing his way into a better package then just a late pick that they settled for
It's convoluted, but really the MIL unprotected 2023 is what we got for JA. The MIL #24 this year is what we got for PJ plus the #31 pick.
I think you have to look at it like Assets. Look at how the last offseason Free Agent's got. Now know the revenues for tv is growing with a brand new deal. So when you see Steven Adams get exactly what J. Allen might get, 100 million, when you see kennard get 60, when beltrans get 80...yea those are crazy contracts, no one thought those guys would be stars, its that the prices and middle class money is growing in the nba. Its tough for us to adjust, but given his production, his age. Jarret Allen is still very tradeable at that contract. He is also a plus on the court with the ability to add a corner 3 and already an elite shot blocker. We could use him, use him and trade him, but one thing is we would have his assets on the book. And even if we did a sign adn trade, he is getting more than a 24th pick from anyone. He just turned 23, he could be a 5th year college player and he'd still be picked earlier than 24 in this current draft if he came out! Levert we'd definitely be better than oladipo. Let alone the knowledge that oladipo is an expiring so we knew we had to pay him or lose him with our backs against the wall with a smal ldeadline. Kelly's great. He was a breath of fresh air and I hope we get him or get an asset on a sign adn trade, but kelly is 30 already and not the answer for any of our woes. Not now, not in the future. Levert would've gotten us another first, at least, and has only gotten better averaging some 20+5+5 over the last couple months and a contract that was solid. Our hope is that we package the brooklyn picks for something special or that the Nets implode. None of those are guaranteed, and those may not materialize for a while. So it was essentailly sold hope that something will be done right, almost nothing tangible we recieved from the harden trade when NO, in a similar position with AD got Lonzo, Hart, Ingram, and a lottery pick all right then and there. We got hope that oru picks may workout in a half a decade, that we wil lget a good draft class, that we will choose right, and that a emerging franchise in a bad market won't be able to rebuild and attract talent.
It takes some mental gymnastics to say that taking that pick over Allen is the right move cause we wouldn't have paid him while also saying that the Oladipo trade was good cause we got Olynyk who's probably gonna walk too anyway. I'm 85% confident that Kelly just straight up leaves this summer. A lot of teams would gladly give him an MLE and to match an MLE it'd take like 15M from Houston.
OK so then what good would keeping Oladipo have done? THe guy was worse than useless and he too would not be here next year either. The fact that the Rockets got anything at all for him seems miraculous now, even a Kelly Olynyk rental an da mere lotto protected pick swap. The fact that he didn't sign his supposed extension is one of the few lucky breaks the team has caught recently.
I don't fully buy that. If someone else wanted to step into the Cavs spot in the trade and give us better assets than the Bucks pick in exchange for Allen on the last year of a cheap deal and two years of Prince on an above market deal for him they could have just done it then, right?
Who the **** cares about Olynyk? Levert could have gotten Olynyk and more. Levert would have definitley gotten more than Oladipo.
Oh hell no I'm not keeping Oladipo. They should've either traded for LeVert instead or traded Oladipo right away or at the peak of the win streak before people realized he was garbage. It's the fact that they tried to make playoff push this season that screwed us.
A lot of it is timing as well. You could say the same about the harden trade or literlaly so many trades that happen each year. The nuances of basketball economics seem to be relationships, timing, opportunity, just a variability of factors Think about Kelly Porter Jr For us. He was a first rounder, he was also projected in the range of a lottery, a very highly touted Hs player with personality issues. We got him for essentially nothing, a protected 2nd round pick, the same thing we traded away JAmes Ennis for years ago. It isn't so linear and cut and dry. Maybe there is a case for making an nba 2k like tradefinder and database where everyone shows their best offers, but the humanity and poker nature of dealing in nba trades hasn't shown that to be the case. So its about getting assets, of which Allen is a great one at his age with more to come. And if the market wasn't there the first two months, which I believe there would've been with 2 months of him being featured bc teams that are at the cap can get a player at the rookie contract and then they can use bird rights to go for it. So warriors paid some ridiculous amount for kelly oubre, why wouldn't they for Allen when they are in need at that position. Some teams are willing to spend, but with the cap you have to make contracts and assets worth it. Thats the case for the Ariza trade you've mentioned, it wasn't just about ariza let alone we wont go in to the glue guy x factor locker room leader stuff, but you keep the contract you have a tradeable asset...on oppose to that, you have nothing but the minimum or mle which we didn't use. we just constrain our own options to add assets and get better. Let alone as the contracts grow, which they will with the new negotiations in the tv deal, Jarret allen will be much much more valuable let alone as his production at 23 and the flashes he has shown including adding a corner 3 and the fact that he is already brushing elite in one or two skills at his age while never getting featured in those positions. A lot more upside in keeping him then in a 24th pick. A lot cheaper to keep the pick. The trend continues.
