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The state of the republican party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yes, I used the wrong spelling of principles, lol. I don't know why you would find a lawyer arguing for principles funny, we do it all the time. I did not support Donald Trump or the attack on the capitol. I think you are confused. Also the attack on our "capital"? Are you talking about an attack against money?
    I don't know why that is funny. Why would I support protesters being on the sidewalk instead of the street if not for those reasons. Those are literally the two differences between being in the street and being on the sidewalk, you are not inconveniencing travelers and you are in less danger from being hit by cars. But again, you say "now" now as opposed to when? When did I not oppose protesters on the street due to courtesy and safety?
     
  2. astros123

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    It's just funny if trump supporters actually looked at the merits of biden they would see how he's the man version of trump. He stood up to the military complex and overrode his generals for a real withdrawal. He stood up to the pharmaceutical company last week with the vaccine patents. His campaign was FLOODED was with Wall Street money so he could lift China tariffs YET he increased sanctions on China. Biden has been able to get Europe to take its trade deal off with China and so is Australia. Now theyre both in talks with India to replace China. Biden has also sent 2 full time naval carriers in South china sea which is more more trump. He's hitting China in the pocket books more in his first 100 days then TRUMP EVER did and applying military pressure. The sad thing is the trumpers will never even understand how Biden is doing exactly what trump wanted.

    Look at the joke of the trumpers. They kick out Liz Chaney and trump calls her a war monger when her replacement is a huge fan of John Bolton and was against the peace treaty. It's all a joke. Say what you want about biden but he's actually has the balls that trump never had

    Biden is the man's of trump. He's literally stood up the establishment in ways trump dreamed of.
     
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  3. seemoreroyals

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    That performance and lack of awareness of Texas history was one of the weakest and worst performances I have seen from any politician in recent memory. All in an effort to reinforce voter suppression, trumpism, and validate the big lie. It is clear to me anyway that leadership at all levels of the republican party do not know what the hell they are talking about.
     
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  4. deb4rockets

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    Trump's website is just his way of cashing in on the fools who donated to him and sell more of his tacky Trump souvenirs and overpriced crap with his name on it.

    He's still in such denial of being a big loser. He posts this stuff to promote his big lie.

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    The Fraudulent Presidential Election of 2020 will be, from this day forth, known as THE BIG LIE!

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    Trump: The Grifter and the Con

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  5. Amiga

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    It's been warned and said many times. They rode with the devil and now they can't escape.
     
  6. NewRoxFan

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    Actually, I am not questioning the principle of all lawyers but rather those of one person identifying him(her)self as a lawyer and making the arguments made here. Like claiming being for almost total freedom of speech but not on roads where its not "courteous" and "inconvenient." And the expected "I didn't support donald trump" and "I didn't support the attack on the capitol".

    Just as two examples...
     
  8. rocketsjudoka

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    Trump was always more show than reality. His "tough show" he put on publicly about the PRC was always undercut by him lifting sanctions, coincidentally when the PRC did something that benefitted his family. Also his praise several times of Xi Jinping including Xi's handling of COVID-19.

    Biden is practicing T. Roosevelt's dictum "speak softly but carry a big stick" dealing with the PRC. Trump neither spoke softly or carried a big stick.
     
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  9. rocketsjudoka

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    Chuck Todd on Meet the Press just made an interesting point. The Republican party is essentially purging the Bushes, Romneys, McCains, and now the Cheneys.
     
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    Former Republican congresswoman Barbara Comstock of Virginia has spoken out in defense of Liz Cheney,
    showing that truth and democracy are more important than cringe-worthy obedience to the MAGA cult leader and,
    in the process, demonstrating how unprincipled and spineless her repugnant colleagues are.


    “The women don’t get the same slack that the men get. And I think a lot of the men are
    attacking her because they resent that she’s got guts and they don’t,” she said bluntly.
    “They’re on their knees for Trump and she’s standing up for herself. And that’s kind of
    an embarrassing thing if you’re the guy on your knees.”
    She has been an effective fundraiser and booster for Republican women, helping to elect several in the 2020 cycle while the disgraced former president was losing.

    she slammed her party for sticking with a “loser.” Comstock argued,

    "He divided the country and now he’s dividing the Republican Party. So you are dividing up what is a minority.” She went on: “There are so many great Republicans who we have out there. To hang our hat on a two-time impeached guy who lost the popular vote twice does not make any sense. But it has become a cult of personality. It’s very destructive, and
    I am very sad to see it come to this.” She added, “It makes no sense to say ‘Let’s go hang with the loser.’ He is a sore loser, he was a big loser, and it is time to move on.”​
     
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  11. rocketsjudoka

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    More evidence that the party is no longer about principles. Stefanik didn't even vote for the tax cut while Cheney did. If this was still a party of principles on things like small government and low taxes they've sold that out.
     
  12. ThatBoyNick

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    It's the party of Trump now

    Romney is basically a socialist now
     
  13. Buck Turgidson

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    Bill Kristol, Jonah Goldberg and George Freaking Will don't have a place in the party now.
     
  14. jiggyfly

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    They have to win back the house and just like in 20/20 it's no guarantee that the house will vote in lockstep.

    I am not saying you are wrong in your premise just that you are judging everything from a worst case scenario and if they do carry this out Biden would still be president so how do they get power?
     
  15. dobro1229

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    The power resides in the constitution under the 12th amendment where if the election for whatever reason cannot be certified, the House then votes for the president. One vote per state giving the Republicans the ability to vote in Trump or whoever even if Biden wins re-election per electoral college.

    All they need is a refusal to certify which they’ll likely have the power to do if they hold the House as you noted. The 2022 election couldn’t have higher stakes imo.

    A lot of people said I just had TDS or whatever last year and I hate to say I was more right that I ever wanted to be. I said they’d try and mess with the certification to try and force a vote in the House and that’s exactly what they tried to do. Over 150 Republicans still voted not to certify even after the mob cleared and we witnessed a failed coup.

    I have little faith that if the Republicans have the power to do anything, they’ll do it.

    The one thing though will be the fact that Biden will still be president on January 7th 2025, and the Supreme Court will play a role im sure. Can’t forget that they only thing that really makes the president the president is the Chief Justice Swearing in the president on January 20th. However this time, if they hold the House, they’ll have the power of the constitution behind them to do it if they want to, and there might not be a damn thing anyone can do about it if it’s technically constitutional.
     
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    turns out was never about principles for majority of them
     
  17. jiggyfly

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    We have went over all of this before and it still does not refute the fact that not all republicans are in lockstep and it's no guarantee they win the house.

    Yes over 150 Republicans voted but how about the ones that did not.

    I just think it does no good to have such a fatalistic view, I think all this craziness is gonna backfire big time on the Republicans come 20/22 because they will cause factions within the primary and not be able to come together in the actual election.
     
  18. subtomic

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    The Republicans who did not vote against certification are being purged (or set up to be purged via primaries), which an overwhelming majority of Republican voters supports. All efforts to investigate Jan 6 are being muddied by Republican attempts to equate the insurrection with BLM and Antifa protests. Finally, Republican-led state governments are doing everything to make voting harder for traditionally Democrat voting populations.

    Approaching this reality with any optimism is deeply dangerous. To avoid the possibility of a Republican Congress overturning the next Presidential election, it is critical that as many people vote Democrat as possible. And as much as it pains me to say this, people don’t vote unless they’re freaked out about the alternative. It just so happens that today’s Republicans are genuinely something of which to be badly frightened.
     
  19. deb4rockets

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    That's no joke there!
     
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  20. adoo

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    House GOP campaign officials withheld poor Trump poll numbers from lawmakers

    at recent Florida retreat in late April
    • The NRCC failed to disclose bad Trump polling data at a House GOP retreat
    • The numbers in several battleground districts showed poor favorability ratings for Trump.
    • In the districts that were polled, Biden and Harris both received higher marks than Trump.
    The polling data showed Trump's favorability ratings underwater, with his unfavorable ratings 15 points higher than his favorable numbers;
    in the districts that were polled, President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris had better numbers than Trump

    Liz Cheney was taken aback, in part, because Trump's lackluster poll numbers were also withheld from ranking committee chairs during a March retreat.
    She boasts a decidedly conservative voting record, was one of 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump for his role in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

    the spineless McCarthy will give Cheney the boot, and replace her w a moderate but opportunistic lawmaker from NY, Elise Stefanik, who voted against Trump's tax cut for the top 1%​
     
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