Will the Rockets have a better record than the Knicks

You're blaming the guy who sold the gun, rather than the guy who murdered an entire team with it.

 

I blame Les for selling to someone who clearly didn’t have the financials to afford it, and I blame Tilman for proceeding to destroy the franchise

a decline this quick is unreal...this isn’t a mere fall from grace, it’s a seismic belly flop

 

Don't be a stupid person.

DD

 

"Zach Lowe Podcast:
monologue from MacMahon:

That trade was made because Tilman Fertitta wanted it made -- he thought Chris Paul's contract was the worst that he'd ever seen in business or sports -- and because James Harden wanted it made. James Harden, obviously there was a personality clash, this stuff has all been well documented and well reported. I still believe, and I wrote this last summer before things went down. I still believe that if necessary they could have managed that situation; I know a lot of people throughout the organization believe that.

But once Westbrook became available, they saw an opportunity that Fertitta and Harden wanted to pounce on, and they pounced on that. Daryl Morey was the biggest Chris Paul backer in the organization. Nobody -- Daryl or anybody else -- has ever told me that he made that trade with objections, that he made that trade despite not fully believing in it. But I just can't help but think that it was a deal where basically, his two bosses -- Fertitta and Harden -- said 'hey, we want this deal made, get it done.' And he did what he had to do to get it done.


Darrly Morey:
I don’t think the media is super fair of him. … I think part of it is he he has a tight circle of people that that he trusts. With those people who he knows have his best interests at heart and he’s had a history with them, he’s very gregarious, very open, very smart. Just this great guy. And with everyone else, he’s not the opposite. He’s just reserved. He’s not someone who is going to be a big media guy or things like that.

So, I think that hurts him a little bit

Tillman Fertitta:

I was in Europe, and so I was six or seven hours ahead of them. So I’m talking at 2, 3, 4 in the morning. And we just decided to do it. They ran different statistics by me.

My basketball ops [operations] got maybe a little weak at the end, and I just said, ‘We’re doing this. We are going to make the change. We’re going to go after it and roll the dice. We’re going to find that 5 percent.’

The one thing I believe you do in business, and you do in basketball, is you never sit still. You always keep it exciting.


Dolan is a terrible owner, but dolan spends a lot of money which is probably the main thing an nba ownership brings to a franchise, not tilmans 'killer culture' or anything else. Dolan has not gone against a GM and pushed a trade. Harden said himself when he left, the the people he trusted most were Morey and morey had said despite harden preferring Westbrook, he got the go to keep buildong this team.

Furthermore, Chris pauls take:
Former Houston Rockets guard Chris Paul was on the Knuckleheads podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson and explained the impact of the Rockets losing Ariza.

“People don’t realize, that’s the biggest thing that we missed. That was tough when we lost [Ariza] because he sorta was like the glue. He was that glue for our team.”

Guess who cut the glue guy, the first domino to fall before the headliner westbrook trade? Remember we had his bird rights, which morey has noted in his own conference are vital for teams at the cap to get more talent, we ignored them entirely despite being a one year risk, no future franchise issues. We didn't even use it as a trade piece. We replaced him with a minimum contract James Ennis, we traded Ennis that same year while paying for a top 55 2nd rounder, thats right no player replacement. We also cut Daniel house the month before for 2 months(almost a third of the entire season) while fans were paying, and harden was playin, for....Luxury tax savings. Who do those savings help? Not morey, no cap flexiblity, not harden who plays heavy minutes to come back to empty lockers mid season, not the coach, not even fans who saw prices raised. Goes in the pockets of the one man screaming to anyone who will still listen that he went all in and thats why the President,Gm, As Gm, Coach, Associate head coach, Our stars, and our Vets all left 3 years after being one game from the finals.


I'm excited as hell about the draft, but Houston and Texans in general that I know don't take kindly to being told to shut up and listen while we pay the bill and bring energy and give importance to our local franchise. You talk about Les caving to china, I agree, but don't you think you're acting a little 'CCP' like yourself in your blind ignorance towards this ownership? If we point out facts that our 3 year old owner is now scraping the bottom of the barrel and at the best case scenerio the entire league views him along with Dolan, Sarver, STerling yet het did it much faster than them it doesn't mean we don't want the best for the rockets, doesn't mean I dont love our guys and want us to hit in this draft, but it also means i'm not some blind CCP dear leader putting a blindfold on to the owner who isn't the rockets, just like les wasn,t harden wasnt, morey isnt, its beyond all of them, its us. So why spend all your energy constantly deflecting from one of the worst things to happen to the rockets in recent history with years of evidence and years of lies on his half, while fans suffer, while rockets suffer?

ITs beyond me man, Go rockets, Get cade, lets go!

 

I agree man, Les sucked. SCrew him for letting olajuwon go, olajuwon's dream shake should be memorialized like Dirk is on Mavs court. Screw him for the china pandering etc.

Its not a binary option and arguable in 3 short years Tilman who now has owned the team, set up the dominos that didn't make the headlines to where the rockets are the WORST RECORD IN THE TEAM, yet you're talking about the previous owner?

I really don't get it unless Tinman=Tilman, Why can't they both suck, yet we've never been the bottom of the barrel, laughing stock like we are today. I feel bad for Stone, Silas, and even morey having to work for this guy who made made 90 percent of the managements moves to cut cost. and lied to our fans several occasions, with receipts, volunteered to lie and mislead us constantly, the older owner sucks. The nba is cocntinuing to get more expensive, Tilman sucks even more. He won't even get financial help and has bragged about getting offers for 1 billion for half yet won't invest in our team meanwhile raises the prices on us.

You're china like willful blindness of our current state constantly deflecting on someone who has nothing to do with our team anymore is beyond me my man. Thats not the american way to put pressure on the market to get better, thats the CCP way to bow our heads to the powers that be and put blinders on hoping he is benevolent.

In any case #GOROCKETS

 

[QUOTE="tinman, post: 13539358, member: 485

You don't buy an NBA team cause you want to make money, you buy it cause you made money.[/QUOTE]


Yea I think thats what everyone is saying about Tilman,

Literally our current team has been all about making money or helping tilman at the very least punt in hopes of him managing his own debt situation. There aren't many nba owners who take the mike and want be the face, then eat crow:


How it started:
TM: What would you like to see in it?

TF: I don’t know. I really haven’t counted on the government. I’m not one of the largest companies in America and I’m not one of the smallest. When it’s all over with, you can write an article [saying] that I survived and I didn’t get any help from the government.

How it went a few months later



you'll see his pattern of hypocrisy and lying to anyone who will still eat out of his ass related to the rockets too, Why stand for that disrespect straight to our fans face?


So I don't get it, your advocating in response to the current state, the absolute burn down of a GREAT franchise and City into a laughable destination by saying our last owner was bad too? Most people agree. But Les played in a time where nba economics were cheaper, the revenue was smaller, the status quo and par to be compettive were lower, he got 2 titles and Screw him for taking them to florida, thats houstons and always will be, I still don't understand your dissociation to critisize whats going on before our eyes

And hence the irony that this guy has made us more of a laughing stock of the league, lost us more, than Les ever haas. and I say that agreeing with you les sucked, but is your mandate and purpose on this board to serve as a tilman schill when the literal only defense of tilman is to say Les sucked too?

And you're forgetting one important part just to give you a gimme. Don't forget we put a god damn Rookie PG matt Maloney to run with our big 3 when we went to the conference finals. Those things matter, don't make the headline, but it was a Tilman like arrogant move and unfair to the rookie, unfair to the fans, unfair to the vets.

You're same points of not buying an nba franchise to make money is probably the epitome of what we've dealt with with Tilman and we've all suffered greatly. Did you ever think the rockets would be the worst team in the league? A walk over team? No prospect of any 1 A star even giving us an interview?

I agree with you on les, but at the same time les hasn't been the owner for 4 years, hes gone. Our current situation literally has tilman's marks ALL OVER IT, and you're talking about 4 years ago? Its getting to CCP Like my man, if you say you're against les pandering to china, why embody the same mentality and lack of accountability that the CCP instills in its population. I don't get it man, you've clearly been around long, I respect that. I'm old to the rockets, new to the board but they have a forever place in me and I know the history of it, I just don't get the argument and relentless deflection of what we're discussing, which is now. And Les was HORRIBLE, tilman is a local, we expect him to be one of us, not make us the laughing stock, and then LIE to our faces. He has let houstonians down as a fellow houstonian

 

Just out of curiosity, @tinman, how many times did you see Ralph or John Lucas play in a Rockets uni? How about Moses? Rudy T? Calvin? Elvin Hayes?