Its the nba Culture, no doubt about it I wish Morey had the common sense to have that awkward conversation. By the accounts it was morey who was Paul's biggest backer let alone westbrook is about an anti Morey player as you can get given what he has touted he values let alone if you goto sloan conference as well, westbrook is just not well regarded. I think personally its gone hyperbole and now they are missing out on a very volatile but historic talent/motor, but I get what the are saying with his issues with efficiency especially when you have chris paul on the other end. Lets face it , its a slapstick reactive sport/culture/ fan base. Paul had a tough year with injuries, other players have had that and given his age we all thought it was only downhill. he started eating some sort of bird seed and now he can fly again. But both Harden and Paul have the case that they pwlay above the rim, their games should translate much better than most. Tillman: I was in Europe, and so I was six or seven hours ahead of them. So I’m talking at 2, 3, 4 in the morning. And we just decided to do it. They ran different statistics by me. My basketball ops [operations] got maybe a little weak at the end, and I just said, ‘We’re doing this. We are going to make the change. We’re going to go after it and roll the dice. We’re going to find that 5 percent.’ The one thing I believe you do in business, and you do in basketball, is you never sit still. You always keep it exciting. Not only is it exciting that we’re a better team, but it’s exciting for the fans. I owe it to them to give them the best opportunity to win a championship every year. (yes, to those wondering i didn't use the rockets red color for tillman, I gave him diarrhea **** color because this season is getting long and we have nothing better to do but hope they have strong internal player development culture and wait for jun 15 and hope luck goes down, until then free for all on the guy who captained this ship, then ill move forward) Further more heres chris paul, who while he might not've liked the communication with morey which is fair, doesn't seem to blame harden/morey, but price cut cost when we replaced ariza with...James Ennis....who we traded that season and our final out put for a contending team, a top 55 prtoected 2nd rounder: Former Houston Rockets guard Chris Paul was on the Knuckleheads podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson and explained the impact of the Rockets losing Ariza. "“People don’t realize, that’s the biggest thing that we missed. That was tough when we lost [Ariza] because he sorta was like the glue. He was that glue for our team.” So yea, Morey "left to be with his family", remember Jeff Bzdelik? Who we paid to be our associate head coach and manned our best defense in our best year? He also 'left to be with his family'. After we started out poorly, tillman said he went and convinced him to not want to be with his family, basically more cordial professional speak that he manned the negotiations and gave him his fair value. MDA might've also left to be with his family, but in 2019: " That's typically not the kind of comment made out loud, much less to the media, by an owner who is attempting to defuse drama. Of course, it's also an unusual approach to point out a coach's age and publicly wonder whether he wanted to continue working beyond next season, as Fertitta did when asked by the Houston Chronicle weeks earlier about a potential extension. That prompted the 68-year-old D'Antoni to make it clear that he planned to coach "at a high level for at least another three years." Nor is it normal NBA business practice to spill the specifics of an offer that wasn't accepted. Fertitta volunteered that the "great extension offer" he made D'Antoni included a $5 million base salary -- below market value for a coach of his stature -- and $1 million in incentives for each playoff round won. Fertitta failed to mention the buyout language that guaranteed D'Antoni only half of his base salary if the Rockets fired him before the extension began. That was the primary sticking point for D'Antoni, who hoped for a commitment of two more seasons beyond this contract and never seriously considered a half-hearted offer of one more year." But as usual, tillman took the mike to spew out BS to anyone still eating out of his ass. Turned out he was lying(folks this isn't just a rockets trend, there are quotes of him doing this in all sorts of ways, its amazing the self selecting type narrative reality shows bring about) So its just professional speak. Unless you think Tillman is such astute observer that he can walk at full speed and notice a 1/16 of an INCH difference in a panel. Go ahead and measure that at your house: " Fertitta oversaw every detail of the project, from the height of the check-in desk to the design of the hotel minibar. As we walked down one corridor, he stopped to stare at a section of the wall paneling. “Jeff, I think this is wrong. It’s not like it is downstairs.” He pulled a rubber-banded roll of cash and credit cards out of his pocket, slid out a black American Express card, and placed it against the panel. “It looks about a sixteenth of an inch off,” he told Cantwell, who nodded in agreement. Was this being staged for my benefit? Can the human eye actually detect such a minuscule discrepancy? Whether or not it was a put-on, the message was clear: Fertitta cares about the little things." In the end, you're right. ITs heresay until we finally get 30 for 30. My guess it won't be harden who loves houston, hasn't sold anything here and wants to return home. Tillman might release a glowing North Korea style one about himself. Morey is an option with his loose lips and story telling. Westbrook if he finally feels like he wants to shed the IDGAF for a second. Maybe it will be tucker? We saw chris paul come out with a tidbit that he was disappoitned we blew it up and thought Ariza was the X-factor. Harden is quiet, hasn't said anythign about htat despite Ariza being one of his closest teammates. In any case, I can't wait for it. We don't need some genius self marketed hero for an owner, we just need him to shut up and listen, pay the bills and then he can do what he wants. Hope he doesn't screw it up next time, whenever that is. Suns just made the playoffs after....11 years...11 years folks by another owner who is famously cheap, but bought in way cheaper and isn't even as leveraged or tries to be the mike of the franchise like ferncheetos.
If you have been following my previous posts, you will notice that I primarily placed blame on Tilman. That said, Harden is not completely blameless either. He has significant influence on roster moves as well.
You are an idiot. I consistently trash Tilman and stated he is the primary reason for where the team is at now.
What I'm trying to understand is how this thing takes flight, that our moves and we're in this hole because all our roster and staff make up was moves to appease Harden. The facts don't seem to support that this is what harden would've wanted. Lets take a look: Its centered around Chris Paul, but go back to any rings. Think of big shots in Rockets history(Elie, Kenny Smith, Horry, Eddie Johnson, so on) Think of in other championship teams(John Paxon, Steve Kerr, Horry again multiple times, Derek Fisher, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliot, Ron Artest) Point is each year therese role players that get no shine, of all ages and contracts make big vital plays or shots. Basketball is about cohesion, depth, talent all coming together rather than the narrative ESPN sells which might make you think its 1-1. So now, if harden had this crazy control would they have cut his very own trainer? Would they have chased away the associate head coach, Jeff Bzdelik(who also left to be with family before joinging the pelicans curiously), Would Harden had said not only not to sign ariza, but don't even use his bird rights to bring comparable talent. That was Harden's best friend, teh guy who lobbied on players tribune for him to be MVP over Curry, the veteran presence who won rings and kept the locker room together, don't take it from me. Here is chris paul himself " Former Houston Rockets guard Chris Paul was on the Knuckleheads podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson and explained the impact of the Rockets losing Ariza. “People don’t realize, that’s the biggest thing that we missed. That was tough when we lost [Ariza] because he sorta was like the glue. He was that glue for our team.” The NBA is tough, you have to upgrade sometimes in contention and lose good talent, but what did we replace ariza with? James Ennis. Guess what he was in Mike's frustratingly short rotation and was traded for a 2nd round that was top 55 protected that very febuary. No replacement. Likewise our Dleague pick up, Daniel House was also cut in January for two months until it was tax friendly and also so we didn't have to cut Carmelo's minimum contract for months so we can trade it for...guess what? savings. And those savings don't help the GM, don't give us future cap flexibility, they don't help the coach or harden.They don't even help the fans who had prices raised on them. They went to one man's pockets only. Harden didn't sit out or rest those two months, he played as usual heavy minutes, useage, games only for him to come back to the locker room and see two rotation players and depth lockers literally sit empty...Those days he may realize that hes catching wind of more talk rather than action of the new ownership. is that the culture of win and focus only on winning? Miami pays haslem just to be the 'culture' on the roster. Or did we get sold that by a used car salesman? Furthermore, with all of harden's power. Did he force them not to use the MLE, to ignore over 10 million in TPE? To trade a several picks in cluding first in the brandon knight trade, which we didn't use Shumperts bird rights as well, or the nene/Green trade, let alone multiple 2nd rounders that all did one thing...get us under the tax and not take a swing on talent. All while tillman promised, literally said : "“Last year (getting under the luxury tax) was a fluke,” Fertitta said. “We were going to be in the (tax). It was an accident. I’m still trying to figure out how we got under. I was positive we were going to be in it by $11 million. But if I’m in the luxury tax, I expect us to win." - Do you believe the owner who in other articles says he knows every detail of his business to "accidentally" get under the tax including with valuable trade assets in first round picks? Has anyone ever accidentally traded a 1st round pick for savings and not realized it? All while so now in 2019 we have worse product, he demanded a better result: "I'm a fighter," said Fertitta, who has owned the franchise for two seasons. "That's my culture, and I think the longer that I own this team, they're going to pick up more of my culture." "We'll pick up a few Tilman-isms along the way in the next few years."" so @chenjy9 @Easy, I tried to include as many direct quotes as I can. I tried not to go too much into "tilly is the devil" and look at our actual moves, look at his actual quotes. I'm just curious if you could give me more detail about this or are you guys just playing devils advocate on the message board which I understand too,but trying to understand as I'm still at a loss of how people are buying that harden got what he wanted unless him and morey were scheming to just save tillman money because thats what 90 percent of our moves did. They brought in marketable stars, skimped on the margins and quality that is also vital to win in this league, meanwhile BSisng each time to the media. I'm still trying to find the facts and the roster moves that support that that support we went all in for harden and are paying for it unless harden's main benevolent goal was to save tillman money and put the onus and blame on himself. Thats what I don't understand, people talk about harden only fans. Are there tillman only fans? It is houston, if they are related it would make more sense and I would sincerely understand going to bat for a lifelong friend or family member and it would be more understandable, but tillman does not equal Rockets, Neither did Harden, neither did morey. They all deserve their respective blames and faults. But the trajectory as shown above Changed with tillman Fertitta taking over this team in the worst possible time, I say that understanding the finances of the deal that he was the most leveraged owner in the league who bought in at the peak. But he was cost cutting from his first offseason, before the pandemic which hit him harder than any other owner along with maybe Miami. So in business, I get it. But the only winner in this case are the Fertittas while the city of Houston, fans,people lose. That ain't right that' were hopeful for some benevolent owner. We pay for merchandise, tickets, games, drive up value, have emotional allegiance and like knicks fans have seen have almost no power over ownership outside of this message board to talk **** with fellow fans. Then some people say don't criticize them or be objective? Is this some sort of North Korea/Saudi Dear leader BS? Or is it some type of young generation milleneal don't be negative because I need a safe space? I'm a bit older I think than most on here have always had trouble understanding that mentality. All in all, the nba revenues and prices are rising. The par is rising and the new owners are all billionaires, gone are the 90s where you can put together a budget winner. Players have more power, the league has more money, and I hope tillman can continue to consolidate depth to bring us a winner rather than probably paying a high interest on each pay roll. All in all, IF you see his request to our government, it doesn't seem like hes in as great of a situation as he says he is And this was a few months after he said this: "TF: I don’t know. I really haven’t counted on the government. I’m not one of the largest companies in America and I’m not one of the smallest. When it’s all over with, you can write an article [saying] that I survived and I didn’t get any help from the government." So he doesn't just talk out of his ass and oversell just with the Rockets. We really seem to have gotten the Dollar Value Dolan here I hope you guys liked my color coding to make this verbal diarrhea more digestable, rest assured its supported by facts and quotes mostly rather than soley outrage No Matter what owner, player, coach we have. Rockets4Life, however depressing this current management has been. But I won't sit blindly and give my time, energy, and money for something I feel a part of in any case. GoRockets!
No one is saying that Harden played the lead role in roster movement. What we are saying is that as the primary superstar of the franchise, Harden has significant influence over who we may consider targeting or keeping. We all know Tilman (piece of **** that he is) has the final say. It's his team and he's the one writing the checks. That said, we DO know Harden has a voice and a strong one at that. If Harden insisted on us keeping CP3, that would make Tilman hesitate. If Harden insisted on not playing with Westbrook, we wouldn't have even bothered talking to OKC. After all, his contract is arguably worse than CP3's. Hope that addresses your confusion regarding my stance at least. I don't speak for Easy and won't try.
I agree that morey should've been a better communicator. It makes a difference in dealing with any human being. It doesn't change the driving force between our moves from 2018 on, but thats a fair complaint about morey. It doesn't put the blame on him when you have an idiot on the other side Lets not forget the same saga with MDA. Controversial and rightly so. But morey had talked for ages how this team and roster is built perfect for MDA. He also maybe able to squeeze out any juice as we continue to cheapen on the margins roster, and even staff as we drove off Jeff Bzdelik after our best defense/year with him as the Associate head Coach. " "I think his agent did me a favor, OK," Fertitta said at the media availability, explaining that he now had an easy out if the Rockets had a disappointing year and decided to move on from D'Antoni. That's typically not the kind of comment made out loud, much less to the media, by an owner who is attempting to defuse drama. Of course, it's also an unusual approach to point out a coach's age and publicly wonder whether he wanted to continue working beyond next season, as Fertitta did when asked by the Houston Chronicle weeks earlier about a potential extension. That prompted the 68-year-old D'Antoni to make it clear that he planned to coach "at a high level for at least another three years." Nor is it normal NBA business practice to spill the specifics of an offer that wasn't accepted. Fertitta volunteered that the "great extension offer" he made D'Antoni included a $5 million base salary -- below market value for a coach of his stature -- and $1 million in incentives for each playoff round won." " ertitta failed to mention the buyout language that guaranteed D'Antoni only half of his base salary if the Rockets fired him before the extension began. That was the primary sticking point for D'Antoni, who hoped for a commitment of two more seasons beyond this contract and never seriously considered a half-hearted offer of one more year. Five days later, Fertitta boarded his private jet along with Morey and flew to West Virginia to smooth things over with D'Antoni. The Rockets' executives returned to Houston believing they had a handshake deal. "I feel very good about it, and I've always felt good," Fertitta told ESPN the following week. "I'm disappointed that it got talked about in the press, and I'm disappointed I responded in the press." theres another confession from Fertitta. I'm not sure if you see the trend of him loving to take the mike and then bullshitting to anyone who will listen. And let alone I can ask you to go back in nba history and find how many owners went to the media, lied, and a coaches' agent who we normalyl never hear from had to goto the media to clarify. We can argue MDA is not the right coach, but our handling of things under tillman has been more used car dealership rather than Billion dollar NBA franchise with a winninculture
I can appreicate that, but its an odd thing to put the onus on the guy who as I mentioned with almost every other move that would benefit him from staff to role players, didn't get the final say or even a word. Because to say that then harden would've been fine with less depth, and saving tillman money, losing trade assets in the form of picks, players, mle, tpe or any other way to swing when you're at the cap as the big dogs do in this league. So of course harden is the face. Any business where one guy is generating 90 percent of your interest is going to have a say and an ear, but the guy who signed the checks when the evidence shows that those moves only benefited him are important. Tim macmahon talked about it with zach lowe, same article that says tillman believed it was the worst contract hes seen in sports or business, and had the support of Harden. But morey and many in the organization he noted, believed they had his blessing to run it back with paul and Harden mentioned when he left, the guys he trusted in Tad Brown aNd morey/MDA are gone. He believed in them. And given all the other owners moves let alone the gymnastics morey all of a sudden became paramount to get under the damn tax each year, which tillman is on record saying its an accident(Do we also believe someone can accidentally include a valuable first rounder let alone roster spots to get under the cap) At some point some people are going to have say tillman is terrbile, has lied whenever he has the opportunity to do so, we still root for him because we root for the rockets but we're not blind followers just bc some new guy bought the team just like we shouldn't have been of Les Alexander just bc he owned. I get what you're saying, harden had a part. But then it doesn't make sense that all the other moves, almost every single other move was a move that hurt harden, hurt and almost evaporated depth, all to save money. It shows he doesn't have that final say and harden is famously quiet, his moms his agent, hes not very savvy in communication. But a message board wouldn't be a message board without devil's advocate. I do get youre noting that tillman sucks and didn't mean to pile in on you, just was curious as every other move doesn't support the harden ran this franchise theory.
You are right, Tilman could have just been hell-bent on getting rid of CP3 no matter what. After all, it was a contract situation that he inherited from Les (another terrible owner). Problem is, none of us know if that would have been the case. What we do know was that Westbrook was targeted for the trade and that would not have happened without Harden making a strong push for it. Westbrook is not a Morey type player. His contract was arguably just as bad if not worse than CP3's. I personally highly doubted that Tilman would have targeted Westbrook for a CP3 without Harden bring it up or at least giving the OK. CP3 was also completely blindsided by it meaning neither Morey or Harden clued him in. Sorry, but bros don't let their bro's hang out to dry like that and it speaks volumes to me personally about where Harden's relationship with CP3 stood at that time.
I saw this on Reddit but could some who uses IG tell me if they like each other’s posts on there. I’m referring to Harden and CP.
Tillman did bring up he believ you keep things exciting. Westbrook is perfect for tillman, he is polarizing but very popular. He will put more jerseys, merchandise and bring a whole new fanbase. He will get on espn much more than paul's stable game. He has the lightning and excitement that tillman craves and is perfect for an entertainment driven owner. TIllman had been quoted to consider paul's contract the worst not just in business, but sports. what type of owner leaks that? But then again what type of owner says the things he does publicly about the coach, his own finances so on? No matter how its spinned, in 3 straight years his name is down at the barrel with Sarver, Dolan, STerling and the like and thats pretty impressive to do. Harden was a compliment, but morey noted him/brown/MDA had harden's trust and they were successful, furthermore chris paul even cited the reason for their team being worse was tillman getting rid of their glue guy and replacing him with Luxury Tax Savings. Once again, those moves helped tillman but made Harden's job a lot worse. So it just takes some gynmastics that tillman only did this for harden while every other move I mentioned in the first post hurt harden's ability to create, downright took away rosters and assets for savings. We may be one of the only fanbases I consistently hear trying to defend the owner. I get justifying the business element and as I said, tillman and his business won in those trades, fans and the city lose however. I can't imagine the warriors fans being outraged at their current tax bill beause they wanted to respect the output of their generational talent in Curry so long as he was playing for them because stars of that magnitude bring in a lot of revenue, but fans are saying oh no! I'm worried Joe Lacob won't get the best and newest yacht, he should save money while he raises prices on us as fans and gets to sit back and enjoy because the nba should never ever be your main source of income, its a trophy generational asset, you don't look at your revenue per year, you look at the appreciation and even beyond that its a showpiece for most of the owners especially any of the new owners. Doesn't mean be reckless, but it is something to be considerrd if we want a viable contending team. So yea, tillman just got his 2nd 150 ft yacht, he claims there are no buyers for his mansions and the team when people in the top percentage made loads and loads throughout the pandemicc, but he has done one thing consistently, lie and bullshit to anyone who will still jump loops to listen and disregard the other ones I'm with you, harden isn't blameless, I mentioned I wish morey had decency to communicate like human beings should. I'm totally fine with criticizing them, as I mentioned Harden/Morey don't equal the rockets, they have their due. But once again, all the other moves didn't help morey and harden, so now literally the only defense is harden should've been more assertive than his personality allows to save tillman from his own dumb projections when he couldn't do so while we cut vital role players, threw away assets to add talent, ignored tpe/mle, so on. So where was harden then when those moves only hurt him and his ability to compete while he is out there pulling crazy minutes, useage, and not sitting out during load management when he had every excuse to? Doesn't add up. It brings about another question, but still the facts just don't pass when you consider the whole picture and you have to consider the whole picture not find a whole in one single element.
I'm not sure, but Chris has spoken about it only a few times. He did show dismay at morey telling him he wouldn't be traded and that was that. The other time was more recent that people don't appreciate that our biggest missing piece was losing our glue guy trevor ariza who he said he believed kept hte locker room in order. We did that soley for one year of savings as there was no future cap issues with a one year deal that was and did end up being traded at the deadline in case things didn't go well. Hardne and Paul went to the locker for 1-2 months and watchd his replacement james ennis and daniel house be replaced by god damn luxury tax savings, these things don't go unnoticed and thats not a culture of you guys just focus on winning, the franchise got your back.
Like I said, I lay most of the blame squarely on Tilman's corrupt shoulders. That said, I am also not going to only blame him. There are lots of blame to pass around for how we got to where we are now. Also, all I ever said was that Harden shares a good portion of the blame and I didn't like the way he handled himself on his way out. I understand why he chose to do some of the things he did and absolutely don't blame him for wanting out, but as a fan of the Rockets, it still irked me that he broke COVID regulations and obviously played with minimal effort before he was traded.
This is my original post about the matter by the way. I fail to see how anyone can read that and come away thinking this other than having a complete lack of reading comprehension. Quite frankly, as a diehard Rockets and Texans fan, I am pretty frustrated and depressed about things right now and probably will be for a while. There is good reason why my participation on this BBS has absolutely cratered. My only hope now is that we win the slightly-better-than-a-coin-flip odds and retain our FRP this season while watching how Tate, Wood, and KPJ develop.
I agree, he was terrible on his way out. Downright inexcusable in how he handeled it. I'm happy to critisize the guy. That was poor leadership. Communicating with the new team to not make it personal that its about him losing trust in the owner, that said he isn't media savvy. His mom is his agent, hes never been great at that stuff but the piling on and the narrative that they bombarded him as this ultimate loser mentality who is committed to himself, not the game was just far fetched. The guy who over marathon of several seasons played among historic useage rates, played heavy games in a time of load management, heavy minutes while messing around and leading the league in points, then assists, constantly reinventing and adding moves to his game. That stuff doesn't happen by accident. That takes grit, perseverance, that takes determination to do something great and historic. Theres a reason media darling Jimmy buttler, king of grit, called harden the biggest problem of the league. There's a reason while the media was glowing about golden boy Curry, Harden was voted multiple NBPA mvps from the colleagues that he frustrates and kills night in and night out. There seems to be a big division between the media perception of him and the players who goto battle with him. And he isn't giannis or lebron, he wouldn't be able to do any of this just on 'athleticism', hes a skill player. Just like MJ gambling all night, harden could have Sexy Suzy on his lap and still get in the gym at some odd hour. He was known to never miss his workouts, he even had to be convinced by MDA to quit the morning shoot arounds. These things don't happen by accident. This is a league where a player could make 10 million plus(andre robertson) just by being known as a harden stopper. He has a target each night, and he bought it, competed against elite athletes, did it without excuses, did it playing high minutes and useage when he could've easily taken nights out and no one would've bat an eye. He made his request, as he often does, quietly in the offseason when he realized this team is dying down with tillman cutting hte marigns, the associate head coach and coach he trusted and had most success were gone now, replaced by rookie coach(I like silas). The gm eventually left replaced by a rookie gm. We chose once again the cheapest options, hwich i don't mind for a rebuild, but if I'm one of the best players in the league, you start noticing all the dominos that started back in 2019. It was similar to JJ watt. Houston legend, quietly asked out when the franchise fumbeled winning chances, they obliged and quietly departed out of respect. Rockets on the other hand released a terrible PR war on harden after saying they were "willing to get uncomfortable" to keep him. More so than watt even, Harden had a foundation here, he invested in the local soccer team, he didn't rent, he bought multiple houses including moving his family here. He even had a restaurant rockets red theme slated to open this year! doesn't really sound like a guy itching and scheming to get out, but at the same time these guys have been playing sine they were 4 years old and this is the absolute culmination of their entire lifetime work. The window is small before all that comes to peak and leaves. Theres a reason nba legend Lebron James after 7 years of coming up short left cleveland to play with hofers to win or learn to win. Theres a reason MJ after 7 years of not winning, also dominating the league, had a narrative of just being a stat stuffer not a winner and demanded help which he got in hof coach/player and the right set of rosters. Theres a reason Timmy D even almost left to orlando to go play with possibly kidd/tmac or hill. Theres a reason Lakers lifer demanded a trade because he realized his franchise was not serious about getting talent and was making bucks off his back when his agenda is to get back to winning. Loyalty goes one way in this league most of the time. We even let go the only guy who gave us 2 rings and let hakeem goto Toronto(F U Les). So I agree, harden handeled it terrible, but the Tillman handled it first. No situation is black or white or binary, blame is all around, but looking at the context which matters, looking at all our moves while you are competing at that level and it is never easy and you see your locker room empty down for months while the owner subsequently is taking to interviews screaming to get a better killer instinct, the trajectory and culture of Tillman Fertitta is what burned down this franchise.
Hope you don't take my post as an attack or anything, I get that you're giving sincere other sides which is important because nothing is clear as night and day. Answer is usually grey with nuances and I didn't mean to paint you as someone holdings Tillman sack. I get you are making reasonable arguments of more blame to spread around and I think we're all with you, it was a frustrating and depressing situation to fall of that cliff the way we did and now all of a sudden a great city/franchise is at the laughing stock of the media, league, message boards, casuals and hardcore fans a like. I'm also with you. I'm always going to be hopeful irrationally so. Right now I'm counting that 52 percent to go our way for the pick. I LOVE Tate and think hes a keeper and similar to ariza he is a glue guy so I think he fits any situation we go. Wood might've had his eureka moment late, but I'm glad he is having it with us. I joke about him wanting a max, but you want a player whose hungry and has the growth mindset to keep growing. Love his talent, big props to Stone for getting him in this contract. KPJ also looks promising and we got him at an incredbile steal, I also am hopeful for KMJ and possibly brooks too. I like our team, i like our spirit. We're an underdog team now which is fun to root for, but it won't produce a title. It ends up like Indiana and this league isn't about just giving entertainment, the best players don't want to play just to entertain. So its not a viable long term solution. but its still a shock to see where we've fallen in my opinion due to this ownership it doesn't give us great confidence moving forward as the league revenue and prices are only going to get more. That said, I believe in reform. Ihope tillman is eating some humble pie, sadly hes still on every media taking the mike as he often does lying saying this happened because we went all out for morey and harden when the list of transactions doesn't support that. So I hope he gets his finances in order, i wish him many more billions to spend on the rockets or sell the team and go take care of your family and live the good life. Last thing I want to worry about is the Owner, ironically all he had to do is shut up and listen, but now here we are with very little else to talk about before June 15. And I still hope he succeeds bc our rockets will then succeed and I'll gladly and hope I'm wrong about him later. Rockets > All
I am not offended or feel attacked by anything you said at all, hence why I am replying back with sincerity.
All of this I dont think Harden force much It was just that he did not fight for things Tillman: can I trade CP3 Harden: dowhatchalike..... Tillman: can I get Westbrook. Harden: dowhatchalike Harden only seemed to really make a demand once That was to be traded. Before then at best he made suggestions Rocket River
