At least bucks fans get to keep trying, This would be like the bucks ownership spending the next couple years sending first round pick, actual rotation players, ignoring bird rights, trade exceptions all to get under the tax while they are competing with a generational talent to the point where he realizes and leaves. So yea, bucks wouldn’t trade spots with us. We had a great run and a team, it was exciting and you are right luck is a big factor. Raptors took a shot at Leonard, but remember they over paid up the wazoo for an aging declining Gasol, the right bounce for Leonard got them to the finals and they got their ring. Cavs overpaid easily for Tristan, JR, and Kevin Love, but they got that one ring. That’s what its about. Tillman’s first offseason in 2018 we were one game from the finals, had all of our bird rights(ignored em), TPE over 10 million(ignored), MLe(didnt use), and we threw first and 2nd rounders packaged to, we through our glue guy ariza who chris paul himself said was the reason we weren’t as good for james ennis..then we also traded him that very deadline while he was i the rotation for a top 55 protected pick..these details shouldn’t be ignored. We’ll look forward after the lottrey, but our season is about development and tanking now and so naturally we’re going to wonder how we got here. It’s hard to understand tillman defenders here, unless they are related in which i case I sincerely would get it.
Harden had purchased homes here, not home, homes he moved his family and friends out here. He has bought into multiple business and a foundation all here. He took a stake of ownership in the local soccer team, heck he even opened a rockets red harden themed restraunt planned for a while finally opened recently...doesn’t sound like a guy who has been scheming to leave, that sounds like a guy whose been playing i the age of load management high minutes, historic useage, historic games while watching his new owner trade picks, rotation players, chase away staff, and coincidentally do gymnastics to get under the tax each year while we were competing...and LTS don’t let the gm, don’t help future cap flexiblity, doesn’t help coach or harden, doesnt’ even help us fans whose prices were raised last 3 years...they goto one mans pockets We’re stuck with tillman, there for I hope he does better. I am rooting for him to do better because I want and need the rockets to be clutch city , that does’t mean I’m not objective to see a guy whose more talk than action. This isn’t Saudi or the CCP, we are a part of this city and the li lie hood and energy of this franchise. We can be objective we can call em out, those are all facts.
It wasn’t the same team, Role players ned depth matters. You know who we replace Ariza with? JAmes Ennis on a minimum contract. We could’ve used his bird rights and traded him mid year as an expiring as he was traded, we could’ve used our TPE to take o 10 million plus who we felt was worthwhile, but now we replaced ariza with james ennis...james ennis was on a minimum and he was playing in mike’s 8 man rotation that same deadline we traded ennis...for a top 55 2nd rounder. We lost depth, replaced him with nothing. Ok ok, those moves don’t matter, Horry, Fisher, Paxon, Elie, Kerr, each yaear role players who aren’t worth much make big plays. This is from chris Paul’s own mouth last summer, doesn’t seem to blame harden : Former Houston Rockets guard Chris Paul was on the Knuckleheads podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson and explained the impact of the Rockets losing Ariza. “People don’t realize, that’s the biggest thing that we missed. That was tough when we lost [Ariza] because he sorta was like the glue. He was that glue for our team.”
Here is the description form Lowe’s podcast, Morey has also mentioned that while Harden wanted Westbrook, he was fine running it forward with Paul and trusted Morey: Here’s the full transcript from the Lowe podcast: The full monologue from MacMahon: That trade was made because Tilman Fertitta wanted it made -- he thought Chris Paul's contract was the worst that he'd ever seen in business or sports -- and because James Harden wanted it made. James Harden, obviously there was a personality clash, this stuff has all been well documented and well reported. I still believe, and I wrote this last summer before things went down. I still believe that if necessary they could have managed that situation; I know a lot of people throughout the organization believe that. But once Westbrook became available, they saw an opportunity that Fertitta and Harden wanted to pounce on, and they pounced on that. Daryl Morey was the biggest Chris Paul backer in the organization. Nobody -- Daryl or anybody else -- has ever told me that he made that trade with objections, that he made that trade despite not fully believing in it. But I just can't help but think that it was a deal where basically, his two bosses -- Fertitta and Harden -- said 'hey, we want this deal made, get it done.' And he did what he had to do to get it done.” Now here is another Quote from Chris Paul himself Former Houston Rockets guard Chris Paul was on the Knuckleheads podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson and explained the impact of the Rockets losing Ariza. “People don’t realize, that’s the biggest thing that we missed. That was tough when we lost [Ariza] because he sorta was like the glue. He was that glue for our team.” Role players matter, Miami pays haslem now just to be the culture. Tough changes are apart of the NBA, but in 2019 you know who we replaced Ariza with? James Ennis...on a minimum, and mid season while competing and playing in our rotation we then traded him for a ...top 55 2nd rounder...coincidentally we got under the cap, but we lost talent, we lost depth, and do you think the players in the locker room are thinking this is a go all in win at all cost culture? People underestimate the cohesion of the whole thing bc nba is marketing on stars. ESPN would have led you to believe its 1-1 I don’t think tillman was willing to tank. By all accounts he held onto harden and said they would get ‘uncomfortable’. They also felt they had a possible playoff team with wall oladipo and woods. But we just sucked.
You guys are looking at the past way too much. Stop Watching Rockets Games and Find New Hobbies and be more productive. This is ridiculous, for years James Harden Way Underachieved in the Playoffs and Young Star Players did not want to play with Harden because he goes Clubbing after Losses in the Playoffs. James Harden just doesn't have that Killer Instinct in the Playoffs. Harden didn't care nor should you.
you really feel we can win out the rest of the season? That’s what they were waiting for? The missing piece was our 20 year ceo overlooking multiple rebuilds leaving so now they can finally show out?
I love how people are ragging on Tilman for Tad Brown being gone. I know who Tad is. I know none of you actually care about him or what he does behind the scenes because you never mention his name on here. BUT... you're sticking with your 'Oh no, Tilman Fartitta is ruining my life' story. Come on, this isn't that big of a deal. Structural reorganization happens, especially with a new owner... OF ANY BUSINESS. Tilman gave the org a shot to keep it together. The org failed even though we were close. We didn't give up on it, we went two more times... no luck. It was time to blow this thing up for a slew of draft picks. We did. Thank you Tilman for knowing it was time. A bigger piece wasn't landing here and Westbrook/Harden II: the official look at small ball... didn't work. All the crying has got to stop. Time to move on. The restructure was already underway before this move. How you didn't see that? That's on you.
The organization is not quite there yet. @Clutch and CF.net is still here....but for how long? They always capitulate. I'm low key pulling for team #LDS.
I had someone go back and forth with me for multiple days on Twitter trying to tell me my feeble brain couldn’t understand the financial brilliance of Tilman because refusing to pay the tax was actually Bezos+Jobs+Musk level financial decision making.
Morey “was a degenerate gambler” yet he tried to bring CP3 into Philly immediately when Fertita forced CP3 out of Houston. They are not the same. He never wanted to get rid of CP3. And point to something the Bucks have done procedurally that was immediately evident that it was a horrific move the way trading picks and assets to dodge the tax twice, get off Anderson’s contact, and get off Chris Paul’s contract were. Those moves were terrible IN REAL TIME. There was no hindsight necessary and 3/4 of those were Tilman directives and I’d be willing to bet the 4th was too.
I'm just saying that it's a thin line between criticism and being negative. Even when we were winning people like you will look for the negative. Great leaders understand when you speak, think, and do things positively you get positive results.
This is 100% false. Tilman went on national television and said out of his own mouth that the basketball ops guys did not want to do the trade and he rammed it through anyway.
Tilman defenders act like that didn’t happen... Morey even went to CP3 and said a trade wasn’t going to happen, but then a few days later agrees to send away CP3 and multiple picks/pick swaps? Yeah right... Does CP3 and 4 picks for Westbrook sound like something Morey would do willingly? We had our very own “ Dolan forcing Walsh to trade away everything for Melo even tho Walsh didn’t want to” moment
Anyone still complaining were more of Morey/Harden fans than Rocket fans. It's been time to move on even before we traded for CP3. Now we can finally do that, they still need a reason to be sad boys.
