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40% of Marines - decline vaccine!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Apr 10, 2021.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Not to mention a person has to sign a waiver that these companies cannot be held liable or sued even if the vaccine results in your death...
     
  3. ThatBoyNick

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    Infection rates being only slightly lower than the national average means Covid was rampant. Of course, some places did much better than others, I never made any statement outside of the Marines having rampant Covid issues in San Antonio.
     
  4. deb4rockets

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    We got typhoid, TB, measles, yellow fever etc....and they weren't running rampant. It's preventative medicine.
     
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    I'm sure if Sam Antonio was worse it would be documented
     
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    They call us crayon eaters for a reason.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Eh no enlisted job really requires "the best and brightest". One reason being it wouldn't attract anyone because "the best and brightest" are in places like MIT.

    But there are some bright officers.
     
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    We hear a lot about "readiness" and this definitely seems like a readiness issue. If members of the military are getting sick or are spreading a preventable disease that could cause problems with deployment.

    I have a question for people who were in the military. Aren't vaccines required for people being deployed to areas where there are known outbreaks of preventable diseases? Given that pretty much most of the World including the US has known outbreaks of COVID-19 this seems this would be a requirement for being in theater.
     
  10. deb4rockets

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    You could say that about any occupation. There are a lot of highly intelligent enlisted. For example, you can't enter certain enlisted occupations without scoring high enough on the aptitude test. Two examples are the Nuclear Program and Air Traffic Control. Even if you qualify to enter the programs you will be dropped out if you can't make it through the academics. Even then, if you struggle to qualify on positions at any base you will be forced into another line of work. There are officers and college grads from MIT who couldn't cut it as an Air Traffic Controller. @DaDakota I find your remarks about the military caddy. Then again, that's because I served, and worked with a lot of really bright, hard working, people, who I respected and trusted. What do you do for a living?
     
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    Yes vaccines are required and usually before deployment we get multiple such as the anthrax vaccine.

    Someone said the possiblity of the Covid vaccines not being FDA approved yet might be way it's not mandatory yet. I've been out for a while now so I have no clue what the current predicament is.
     
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    Ya the academics are the basic precalculus or basic differential calculus you find in a AP physics class.

    It's high standards for enlisted population but most college students by their freshman year have already seen that math and passed it.

    Anyways, there is no such proffesion in the Marine Corps and I was a grunt so the lower threshold for intellegence was a near bottomless pit.
     
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    Concerning FDA approved vs EUA, the only difference is how long the follow-up period is. 2M vs 6M. We should be hitting the 6M mark pretty soon. The other differences it the amount of paperwork necessary to get it done. Pfizer, Moderna and J&J all plan to get approval in 2021.

    I don't think they are going to have a problem with lack of data for the FDA to look at.

    Moderna Announces FDA Authorization of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine in U.S. | Moderna, Inc. (modernatx.com)

    Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 Vaccine Authorized by U.S. FDA For Emergency Use | Johnson & Johnson (jnj.com)

    (can't find the pfz press release)
     
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    Two servicemembers have died, from what I could find. A 41 year old ordinanceman from the Theodore Roosevelt and a 57 year old physicians assistant from the NJ National Guard. I have seen the same thing in local Sheriff's Deputies. They are generally of the opinion that they are young and healthy, so there is no need for them to take an experimental vaccine for which we have no idea of the long term effects to protect them from something with like a 0.001% chance of killing them.
     
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    Army’s own vaccine that could fight COVID variants begins clinical trials (armytimes.com)

    The Defense Department has had a combined total of more than 271,000 COVID-19 cases. Of those, 3,814 people have been hospitalized and 332 people have died. Twenty-four of the dead have been service members and 11 have been dependents.
     
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    There will be an uptick on vaccination, including in the military, as more ppl takes them. Over 100M has at least one shot in the US.
     
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    Must have been an older article I was looking at. Still only 24 dead servicemen and women in an active duty force of over a million, the point still holds. In fact, this just serves to illustrate the point further. 308 non-service members in the DoD dies, but only 24 service members. They should get in, in that everyone should get it for heard immunity, but those who refuse it are unlikely to personally die of Covid.
     
  18. deb4rockets

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    There are Marine Air Traffic Controllers. I had marines in my classrooms. Math really has nothing to do with Air Traffic Control as much as in the Nuclear Program. You can't compare Air Traffic Control to any college profession. Sure, you need the same study habits to continuously memorize maps, frequencies, airfield and airways charts, etc...but being able to work under that type high paced stress is a totally different skill not everyone can do, regardless of their IQ.
     
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    The military is all about safe work practices. I imagine masks were strictly enforced.
     
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    True. The majority of the military weren't even eligible until recently. Too young and not high risk.
     

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