[GOP GA] gone wild

Or they could say something like they are a basket of deplorables or that they are desperately clinging to their guns and bibles.

 

What power do you imagine libertarians have in America? Not even limiting it to the Libertarian party, but even self-identified libertarians. Maybe a couple of Senators, 5 Congressmen? 10? How many Governors? State legislators? Just curious.

 

So now a portion of Trump voters is a religous and race demographic.

It's amazing how you don't see the difference between age, race, religion and a poltical ideology that demonizes immigrants and black people. And 33% of Trump voters is generous when it comes to jingoistic nationalistic ideology.

You are very bad at analogies.

 

We've been playing the libertarian trickle down experiment for 40 years now.

Now modern self labeled Libertarians are turning into protectionist marxists who hate global free trade and hate the current directions of the free market not catering towards a Christian white hegemony.

 

It's amazing that GOP polticians are literally telling the public that this bill is based on bad faith false allegations and yet you have bootlickers in thai board defending it.

 

If the USA had a real multi-party system (this could be enabled by replacing first-past-the-post with alternative voting systems and eliminating winner-take-all districts and states), the libertarian party would be MUCH bigger. A large number of Americans align with libertarian values.

If the USA had a real multi-party system and voters didn't have to worry about 'throwing away' their votes on 3rd or 4th party candidates like they do now, just imagine a scenario where the current republican voter base could choose between 1) the republican party, 2) the libertarian party and 3) the Christian family values party (I made that one up, but we all know they should have their own political party) which of the three would be the most popular? The standard GOP could come third in that scenario.

 

You responded to a tweet about uninformed 'woke' college voters being registered by saying imagine if the Dems complained about rural old Christian voters voting en masse (or rather, in mass). I don't see how basket of deplorables, which was how Clinton described "half of Trump supporters", and people desperately clinging to their guns and religion, which is how Obama described rural Christian voters (the very same demo you were referring to) in an election that Trump was not participating in in 2008, is radically different than 'woke' college voters, no. I don't see where I said anything about Trump voters being a religious or racial demographic, nor did I say anything about age, race, religion, and a political ideology that demonizes immigrants and black people all being the same thing. I believe it is you sir, who are bad at analogies, in that you cannot recognize when one is made that is directly on point.

Oh, certainly I would support a ranked choice voting system and that may allow libertarians to achieve some measure of power, but as things currently stand, I am just not seeing much support for libertarian ideals in politics. Where is the push to eliminate Federal drug laws? Where is the push to eliminate most Federal taxation and all Federal health and welfare programs. These are libertarian core concepts. Being against pat down searches at the airport is nice and all, but hardly makes one a libertarian politician.

 

In neither of those examples did Obama or Clinton discourage people from voting or saying a group of people shouldn't vote. You understand this right?

And unlike your bootlicking multiple times I've stated that Obama's statement is divisive and not good for unity in a country when a political leader says it. That doesn't mean I disagree with Obama's sentiment in context of his entire statement that people leave out:
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them... They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment and it also shows Obama's empathy for the demographic because he understands where the tribalism of that demography comes from unlike the lack of empathy when conservatives discuss black issues and just resort to blaming black culture which is a stone's throw away from just outright saying "genetic predisposition".

Clinton described a ideology when she reffered to "deplorables" such as nationalists, not a race or demographic shouldn't be able to vote.

In neither example could you find where they said these people shouldn't vote.

A proper analogy here would be a Democrat saying that rural elderly shouldn't be bussed in mass to the polling stations by church groups or that the GOP wants the elderly to show up to vote.


Saying that Democrats want college kids to vote as an insult to the Democratic party is very telling of the GOP's mindset that only a select group of Americans deserve to vote.

 

And the most snyoing aspect of you finding isolated bad examples of Obama or Clinton being divisive is that you were silent when the last president on a bear daily basis made extremely divisive comments like calling American cities shitholes. His own Sec Def had to come out and say "He's the first president in my lifetime that purposefully tries to divide the nation".

For Obama that one quote was the most culturally divisive comment he made as a presidential candidate or as actual president. He always expressed empathy for rural white voters and always tried to expressed their rightful frustrations with a lack of quality jobs in their regions and how that can create pent of frustration.

 

I agree with all of this and nobody is dressing it up by not calling these things Jim Crow laws.

But we have to be truthful these laws are mostly about making it harder to vote not taking away voting rights when you invoke Jim Crow it's bomb throwing like tossing the Nazi word around.

The best bet is to fight these things in court while educating how they will impact individuals voting, no need turn potential allies off by shouting Jim Crow all the time.

None of this can be considered a poll tax and the use of Jim Crow is just being used to inflame and a dog whistle I am tired of racing to see which side can get their followers the most riled up, its playing to the base IMO.

It's too easy to distract by pointing out how these laws are really nothing like Jim Crow laws and when you start arguing the spirit of the law you have lost a lot of people.

 

The counter to that would be, of course the local and state election officials want to keep each individual state determining election laws because the state and local officials like having the power and want to keep it to the detriment of the American people. Further, citing The Honest Election Project is a joke. They have been stoking the fires and claims of voter fraud since formed in 2020. It is a conservative group, that is led by a man that is close to Donald Trump and they have been spending millions of dollars to prevent mail in voting. They also refuse to say where their funding is coming from.

Mac Warner is an extremist. He was a strong supporter of President Trump and supported and actively was involved in the "stop the steal" movement.

He opposes same day voter registration, he opposes automatic voter registration and he opposes mail in voting.

In short he supports voter suppression, and he knows that if the federal government is involved it will be harder for him and those like him to limit voter registration.

Why?

During a late-March interview on Fox News, Trump said that Democrats were proposing "levels of voting that, if you ever agreed to it, you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again."

People like Mac Warner know that their positions are to the extreme in the modern world, and will do everything possible to hold onto them until they are dead and in the ground.

 

in a related story the state of Pennsylvania has been forced to remove 20,000 dead Democrats from voter rolls after losing a Republican-sponsored lawsuit filed over election integrity.

https://publicinterestlegal.org/blo...ylvania-ends-with-win-for-election-integrity/

it's a sad day for the rights of dead Democrats

 

Voter fraud doesn't exist, or that which does exist is nearly always caught and punished with years of imprisonment, so those hundreds of post death votes must be legitimate. I am certain someone in Pennsylvania has found a way to raise the dead and they just never mentioned it to anyone.

 

Every election cycle voter rolls are purged due to people moving and dieing. Jesus christ you guys are easily brainwashed.

And guess what, if one of those 20,000 showed that they actually voted(actual fraud), it would make front page news on every conservative site and news outlet. And it's a easy audit to check if any of them casted a ballot.

 

"When Both Parties Rely On Fear-Mongering":

https://www.allsides.com/blog/when-both-parties-rely-fear-mongering

excerpt:

Democrats issue dire warnings of the threat of voter suppression. Republicans sound the alarm about the menace of voter fraud. But both parties are dramatically overstating an exaggerated problem to whip their most devoted supporters into a frenzy. The result is that confidence in the foundation of our democratic process is at an all-time low, driven down by unyielding partisan attacks from both the left and the right as a cynical tool to motivate their most committed loyalists.

But the record shows that neither side can back up their claims.

Despite regular claims from Republican leaders, provable examples of voter fraud in this country are almost non-existent. But while many states have passed laws creating logistical obstacles to voting as a way of confronting these mythical cases of fraud, there are very few verifiable cases of an individual being denied the right to vote as Democrats often claim. Both parties understand that it’s quite easy to frighten their true believers that the opposition is cheating the system to unfairly win elections, and both parties use this technique shamelessly to raise money from small-dollar donors and to stoke voter turnout on Election Day. The unsurprising result is that American voters are becoming more suspicious of the sanctity of their vote and potentially less likely to abide by the results.
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