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[GOP GA] gone wild

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  1. NewRoxFan

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    Guess trump's call for a coke boycott fell on deaf ears...

     
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    https://hotair.com/archives/allahpu...ing-bill-make-states-election-laws-delawares/

    excerpt:

    Georgia State Rep: I’m Introducing A Bill To Make Our State’s Election Laws The Same As Delaware’s

    Actually, he’s introducing two bills. One, “The President Joe Biden Jim Crow on Steroids Voting Act,” would replace Georgia’s new election law with Delaware’s much more restrictive provisions. Instead of up to 19 days of early voting and no-excuse voting by mail, the state would permit no early voting or absentee voting without an excuse, i.e. unless you’re sick or will be absent from the state on Election Day. The other bill, “The Senator Chuck Schumer ‘Racist Voter Suppression’ Voting Act,” would replace Georgia’s new law with New York’s electoral laws instead. That means nine days of early voting instead of 19 and, again, a requirement that voters have an excuse in order to obtain an absentee ballot.

    This is a stunt, in other words, by Wes Cantrell’s own admission. But it’s a good one, as it highlights in a stark way the Democrats’ cynicism in demagoging Georgia’s new statute. If you want voters to understand how insincere some of the concerns about “Jim Crow 2.0” are, show them the rules that certain blue states use to govern their own elections. Offer them a choice: Would you rather vote in a system as liberal as Georgia or one as stingy as the Democratic president’s home state?
    more at the link.

    Here is Cantrell's summary of the proposed bills:

    In recent days, President Biden called the new Georgia Election Integrity law un-American, sick, pernicious & Jim Crow on steroids.
    In light of this, today I am announcing my intentions to file legislation to address his concerns.
    The bill will be called “The President Joe Biden Jim Crow on Steroids Voting Act.” Since President Biden seems to be very concerned about our laws here in Georgia, this bill will make Georgia’s voting laws identical to those of his home state of Delaware.
    As a result, it will have 5 key features:
    1. Instead of having up to 19 days of early voting in Georgia, we will have ZERO days of early voting JUST LIKE DELAWARE!
    2. Instead of having no excuse absentee voting in Georgia, you will have to have the excuse of being sick or disabled to vote absentee JUST LIKE DELAWARE!
    3. Instead of having plenty of secure drop boxes in Georgia, there will be no drop boxes JUST LIKE DELAWARE!
    4. Instead of being able to get drink/food from a non-poll worker outside of the 150 foot buffer & drink from a poll worker within the barrier in Georgia, it will be illegal to receive anything of value while standing in line to vote JUST LIKE DELAWARE!
    5. Instead of being able to vote in relative quiet in Georgia, your name will be announced outloud (and your party affiliation during a primary) so that your vote can be challenged by anyone in the precinct JUST LIKE DELAWARE!
    I look forward to all of my colleagues who voted against our Election Integrity law begging to co-sponsor this legislation with me.
    I have some advice for President Biden. Take care of your own home state before you say a word about Georgia. People in glass houses shouldn’t be throwing stones. Either read the bill for yourself or at least get some advisors who will tell you the truth. Congratulations on your 4 Pinocchios from The Washington Post. And you didn’t just spread misinformation once. You did it again and again. Delaware’s voting laws are draconian when compared to Georgia. Until you bring election reform to your home state of Delaware, its probably best that you sit this one out. To use your favorite phrase, “C’mon Man!”
    On Saturday, Senator Chuck Schumer decided to weigh in on our new election integrity law by calling it “racist voter suppression.” He invited the MLB to move the All Star Game to New York. Apparently, Senator Schumer doesn’t know the voting laws in his home state which are much more restrictive than Georgia’s.
    So in light of Senator Schumer’s concerns, I’m going to also introduce “The Senator Chuck Schumer ‘Racist Voter Suppression’ Voting Act.” This act will make Georgia’s voting laws just like New York’s.
    Instead of up to 19 days of early voting, we’ll only have 9 days of early voting JUST LIKE NEW YORK!
    Instead of no excuse absentee voting, we will now require an excuse for you to vote absentee JUST LIKE NEW YORK!
    These politicians really should take the time to know their home state’s voting regulations before they start criticizing others, especially Georgia.
    And finally, yes this is a political stunt. The left pulls political stunts all the time and yet somehow the media takes them seriously. One of my colleagues recently stuck her head inside the bullhorn while a Georgia State Patrol Officer was giving instructions. She then had the audacity to demand an apology - going so far as to say that she wouldn’t leave the Capitol steps until she received one. She failed to keep her commitment as she never received the undeserved apology but she still left the Capitol steps an hour or so later. This same colleague disrespected our Georgia State Patrol Officers again when she refused to follow their instructions & symbolically knocked on a back “exit only” door to the Governor’s office. The officers had no choice but to arrest her which is exactly what she wanted to happen. The media fawned over her & treated her as a martyr instead of calling out her shameful behavior as they should have.
    Folks don’t fall for the fake outrage and false narrative. Georgia’s new election integrity law restores voter confidence & security & expands access to voting so that Georgia remains a state where its simple to register, easy to vote & hard to cheat.


     
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    Gotta love Republicans and their attacks on MLB rather than try to actually defend the GA law. Even when they bother, it merely to defend the ID part, not any of the limitations they laid down.

    Even the ID requirement isn't really about the ID, but rather the greater opportunity for voters to make a mistake that gets their vote thrown out.
     
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    They know it's simply bring butthurt from losing, so they are rigging the next election to grab back power. Their feeble attempts to defend their blatant cheating is simply cover...
     
  6. NotInMyHouse

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    Rubio playing with fire here or has he forgotten he represents the Party of Insurrection?
     
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    Further proof that Rubio is an idiot. What does a private club have to do with public policy?
     
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    I love the mlb and the astros. Sometimes the leaders arent perfect. I feel bad for the people of Atlanta who could've used this cash cow.
     
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    Don't you love it? Don't you love how being against a bill that places control of election results in key voting districts in Georgia to State legislators who are dominated by one party which is fundamentally against the principles of our democratic republic being "woke culture".


    From now on democrats should spam any pushback to gun regulations as "woke culture".
     
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    People of Detroit could use it also. There are meant cities. Your concern trolling is heard.
     
  12. NotInMyHouse

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    Does Trump have his own airline? Might be coming down to that soon for some people.

     
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    Wrong thread.
     
  14. Deckard

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    @Os Trigonum, why don’t you address the meat of the Georgia bill instead of dancing around the margins? It’s explained very well in @NewRoxFan’s post below.
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    I haven't really seen anyone specify what exactly the "voter suppression" is. Seen lots and lots of accusations of "voter suppression," but no clear examples of where "the Georgia bill" manifests "voter suppression." If you'd like to edumacate me, that would be awesome
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    It's politicians chosing their voters from gerrymandering, to closing down polling stations in urban minority areas to signficantly increase lines that disproportionately effects the poor because hourly wage workers who love paycheck to paycheck have far less time on their hands where the hours they get from work really determine if they'll be short on rent or healthcare bills or utilities or groceries for the month or creating a bill that allows a heavily partisan state legislators to replace election officials in a voting districts when they don't like the decision of election officials voting approving results of particular voting districts etc.

    It's obvious you don't really read any of the actual posts from other users here.aube it's part of your narcissism. Apparently beings philosophy teacher doesn't give you the intellectual curiosity to figure out these questions on your own in a sincere manner.
     
  17. Amiga

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    GA has 10x the population of DE. You don't build the same highway for a population of 1M vs 10M. There is a reason why there were extremely long wait lines in GA's election but not so much in DE.
     
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    I don't think philosophy teaches the concept of density unfortunately.
     
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    Two part post, from a NYT editorial discussing the racial implications...

    Opinion
    If It’s Not Jim Crow, What Is It?
    Georgia’s new voting law has to be understood in its own peculiar historical context.

    By Jamelle Bouie
    Opinion Columnist

    The laws that disenfranchised Black Americans in the South and established Jim Crow did not actually say they were disenfranchising Black Americans and creating a one-party racist state.

    I raise this because of a debate among politicians and partisans on whether Georgia’s new election law — rushed through last month by the state’s Republican legislature and signed by Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican — is a throwback to the Jim Crow restrictions of the 20th century.

    Democrats say yes. “This is Jim Crow in the 21st century. It must end,” President Biden said in a statement. Republicans and conservative media personalities say no. “You know what voter suppression is?” Ben Shapiro said on his very popular podcast. “Voter suppression is when you don’t get to vote.”

    The problem with the “no” argument here is that it mistakes both the nature and the operation of Jim Crow voting laws. There was no statute that said, “Black people cannot vote.” Instead, Southern lawmakers spun a web of restrictions and regulations meant to catch most Blacks (as well as many whites) and keep them out of the electorate. It is true that the “yes” argument of President Biden and other Democrats overstates similarities and greatly understates key differences — chief among them the violence that undergirded the Jim Crow racial order. But the “no” argument of conservatives and Republicans asks us to ignore context and extend good faith to lawmakers who overhauled their state’s election laws because their party lost an election.

    Southern lawmakers at the turn of the 20th century weren’t shy about their motives — “Whenever there were political questions involved, of course, we looked to the interests of the party, because they are the interests of the State,” one Democratic delegate to the 1898 Louisiana constitutional convention, which sharply restricted the franchise, said at the time — but their laws had to be more circumspect. “Those who sought to prune the Southern electorate were hampered by various constitutional restrictions,” the historian J. Morgan Kousser explained in his 1974 book, “The Shaping of Southern Politics: Suffrage Restriction and the Establishment of the One-Party South, 1880-1910.”

    Between the Fifteenth Amendment, which prohibited overt discrimination on the basis of “race, color, or previous condition of servitude” and the Fourteenth Amendment, which allowed Congress to slash the representation of states that disenfranchised adult males for any reason other than crime or rebellion, Southern lawmakers could not just write Black voters out of the electorate. “The disenfranchisers were forced to contrive devious means to accomplish their purposes,” Kousser writes.

    According to Kousser, the first wave of suffrage restriction after Reconstruction relied primarily on laws and practices that “decreased the influence of opposition voters but did not actually prohibit them from exercising the franchise.” Some states, for example, took the right to name their local officials away from voters and granted it to governors and state legislatures, a practice that “guaranteed that white Democrats would rule even in Republican areas.”

    Other Southern states embraced changes like voter registration, which had a stark and negative effect on turnout, made worse by the discretion given to registrars.

    Here’s Kousser:

    According to the North Carolina law of 1889, for instance, registrars, appointed indirectly by the Democratic legislature, could require that a voter prove “as near as may be” his “age, occupation, place of birth and place of residency … by such testimony, under oath, as may be satisfactory to the registrar.”

    Democrats, he notes, “employed this law to deny the vote to white and Black Republicans and Populists in the early 1890s.” Louisiana lawmakers passed a registration law in 1896. That year, 95.6 percent of Black adult males appeared on the voter rolls. Two years later, at which point voters were required to have reregistered, 9.5 percent of Blacks were listed.

    In addition to registration requirements, there were the now-infamous literacy tests. In Virginia, a potential voter had to read a section of the state or federal constitution — and persuade the registrar that he understood the words — in order to qualify to vote. Mississippi’s similar requirement came with an “understanding clause” that allowed a would-be voter to cast a ballot only if he could understand the text read to him.

    A recently published paper by the political scientists Luke Keele, William Cubbison and Ismail White on the use of the understanding clause in Louisiana during the 1950s underscores the impact of voting laws that rely on discretion for their effect. “These results highlight that voting restrictions that give local officials greater authority to deny the franchise may be particularly susceptible to discriminatory outcomes,” they note.

    Rounding out these legal restrictions on the right to vote were poll taxes. On their own, they may not have had the decisive impact that critics at the time attributed to them, but in conjunction with other measures, they worked to discourage many Southern men, Black and white, from even trying to vote. “Although the $1 to $2 levies did not seem high to middle-class convention delegates and legislators,” Kousser writes, “they represented a significant charge to many inhabitants of the nation’s economic backwater region.”

    For as much as Southern lawmakers were often explicit about their intentions and aims (“Discrimination!,” declared Carter Glass, who as a state senator helped craft Virginia’s 1901 Constitution. “Why, that is precisely what we propose; that, exactly, is what this convention was elected for.”), they also knew that they had to mask these laws and provisions in the language of neutrality. The authors of the Mississippi Constitution of 1890 even added an addendum to this effect:

    Every provision in the Mississippi Constitution applies equally, and without discrimination whatever, to both the white and Negro races. Any assumption, therefore, that the purpose of the framers of the Constitution was ulterior, and dishonest, is gratuitous and cannot be sustained.

    One of Kousser’s conclusions is that Jim Crow voting restrictions were as much about partisanship as they were about race, with Southern Democrats targeting the two groups outside of plantation-dominated areas, Blacks and low-income whites, who powered their Republican and Populist opposition.

    This brings us back to the Georgia law. To the extent that it plays at neutrality while placing burdens on specific groups of voters on a partisan (and inescapably racial) basis, it is, at least, Jim Crow-adjacent. And as my Times colleagues Nick Corasaniti and Reid Epstein wrote last week, there are key provisions that fit this bill.

    After an election in which 1.3 million Georgians used absentee ballots — and nearly two-thirds of them voted for Joe Biden — the Republican-led government has now cut by more than half the period during which absentee voters can request a ballot, from six months to three. It has also implemented a strict new ID requirement for absentee ballots, adding additional steps for voters that, if they do them incorrectly, would invalidate their votes.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/06/opinion/georgia-voting-law.html
     
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    The new law requires each county to provide drop boxes for absentee ballots, but limits their location and the hours in which they are available, as well as the number the most populous counties can have. The result is to increase access for largely Republican-voting rural counties and decrease it for the state’s Democratic urban centers.

    “For the 2020 election, there were 94 drop boxes across the four counties that make up the core of metropolitan Atlanta: Fulton, Cobb, DeKalb and Gwinnett,” Corasaniti and Epstein report. “The new law limits the same four counties to a total of, at most, 23 drop boxes, based on the latest voter registration data.”

    Another part of the new law affects voters who go to vote at the wrong precinct, a common problem after the state shuttered hundreds of polling sites following the Supreme Court’s ruling in Shelby County v. Holder, which gutted the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Rather than be cast a provisional ballot, those voters will now have to go to the correct precinct. If they cannot do so before the end of voting hours in their area, they may not be able to vote at all.

    The most potentially consequential change gives the Republican-controlled state legislature greater influence over the state election board, and then empowers that board to remove local election officials.

    Even if these provisions didn’t directly burden Democratic voters, they may raise the cost of mobilization for Democratic-leaning groups, who will need to invest more and greater resources into assisting voters with new barriers.

    That said, we cannot evaluate this law outside the context of the last election, in which Democrats won three statewide races, breaking decades of Republican dominance in elections for federal office. Nor can we ignore the degree to which this law might empower legislators to do exactly what Donald Trump demanded after it was clear he would lose the state: directly intervene in the election and overturn the result. The incontrovertible truth is that if Trump had won Georgia, or if Republicans had held Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue’s seats in the Senate, this law wouldn’t exist.

    With all of this in mind, it is important also to say that Jim Crow was not an overnight phenomenon. “Twentieth-century Southern politics did not spring full-grown from the heads of those who negotiated the Compromise of 1877,” Kousser writes. “What followed after Reconstruction was a period of transition, uncertainty, fluctuation that ended only with the restriction of the suffrage and the consequent stifling of anti-Democratic political parties.”

    One of the lessons of the South after Reconstruction is that democratic life can flourish and then erode, expand and then contract. Democracy is not a solid state, and we should be wary of politicians who would undermine any part of it for partisan advantage.

    It took three decades of struggle, and violence, before Southern elites could reclaim dominance over Southern politics. No particular restriction was decisive. The process was halting, contingent and contested, consolidating in different places at different times. It was only when the final pieces fell into place that the full picture of what took place was clear.

    Put a little differently, the thing about Jim Crow is that it wasn’t “Jim Crow” until, one day, it was.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/06/opinion/georgia-voting-law.html
     

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