Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

yeah but could be something of an embarrassment to the Biden administration if a lot of effort is put into these prosecutions and the bulk of these folks get convicted of misdemeanor trespassing charges.

 

The Biden administration are at the bottom of the list of people that should be embarrassed by the riots of January 6th and seeking justice for it.

 

good point actually

 

Honestly the people at the riots are victims of misinformation from the former president claiming that an illegal usurper was about to be inaugurated as president and that democracy has effectively ended in this country where all legal recourse had been spent and the only other option is violence at that point.

The people who pushed these fake narratives should be held responsible much more.

 

Of course, the most you could convict the majority of them for is trespassing, and even then they would have a decent equal protection defense since the left protesters were allowed to invade the Capitol during the Kavanaugh hearings without charges.

 

You just keep living up to your name.

 

retrumplicans are now calling it a "walk through"...

 

If I remember correctly @StupidMoniker wasn't his original nickname but he lost a bet to another poster.

Obviously don't agree with a lot of his positions and I think he's indulging in some "whataboutism" here regarding the Kavanaugh hearings but I think practically he is right in this situation. The DC court system probably isn't well set up to handle charging, processing and trying all or most of these people. If we want to see a lot of convictions getting pleas on lesser charges is the most likely route. Charging and trying the people where there is most obvious evidence of assault and other more serious activities is already going to take up a lot of resources.

 

Did the left protesters tear down barricades to get in and then got physical with cops and vandalized.

Did they actively try and stop a function of government?

Did anybody have to evacuate?

There is nothing practically right about that argument, I know you like to explore arguments but this one has no merit and you stop giving his arguments oxygen.

I realize most are going to have lesser sentences but that has nothing to do with what happened during Kavanaugh.

 

No, the cops made no efforts to stop them.

Yes, they tried to disrupt the Kavanaugh confirmation.

Because the cops made no efforts to stop them, there were no violent clashes. Only the people who were in the actual senate chamber making a ruckus during the proceedings were actually removed immediately. A number of people were eventually arrested (including Amy Schumer), but I don't recall if any charges were filed - certainly nothing more than trespassing.

I agree, there should be no qualifier attached. It is right, period.

You are free to use your ignore function. Otherwise, our resident judoka is free to engage with whomsoever he chooses.

It has to do with the conduct they engaged in, which is by and large the same conduct as the Kavanaugh protesters. There are a few that engaged in more serious conduct, and they will get more serious charges. The one who should get the most serious charge is the cop that shot a protester while she was climbing through a window. For some reason, everyone that jumps on every act of police violence wants that one to get a pass. To whom did she represent an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury? Why do we not even know the name of the officer? Darren Wilson's name was in the press immediately.

 

I will not be engaging with you on these nonsensical debates where you ignore actual facts and double down on "what you believe".

I will continue to laugh at your rebuttal attempts.

 

You are free to do as you will. No one has required you to do anything. It always tickles me when people post these, "I'm not going to talk to you anymore." bits. It's usually a sign they can't handle the heat, so they are getting out of the kitchen.

They all laughed at Copernicus.

 

you sure told him

 

I don’t think the two situations are that comparable and also said I think StupidMonker is indulging in “whataboutism”

“Practically” might not have be the precise term and besides StupidMoniker isn’t giving an argument about practicality but does seem to believe that most are only guilty of lesser charges. Pragmatically though I believe that is what is going to happen because DC or any municipal court system wouldn’t be able to handle trying hundreds of people on severe charges.

Regarding wanting to explore arguments I’m going to give StupidMoniker his due. Just because i disagree with him a lot he’s made some very cogent arguments. He’s responded to counter arguments substantially, expressed his own thoughts, and not relied on op-eds or cartoons. I wouldn’t bother having such a lengthy and involved debate with him in another thread if I didn’t think it was worth responding too.

 

I guess real estate agents are going to have to change some terminology now...

 

Yeah, but luckily he got that zinger in before the other poster then compared himself to... Copernicus.

 

I think you may need a different historical reference. There were lots of new models for the heavens floating around (har har) in the early 16th century, and there are fervent letters, even from church officials, begging Copernicus to finally publish his full theory in the 1530's. Pope Clement VII thought the theory was really compelling, according to Church docs. (Sorry, I love the history of science and Copernicus living in fear of the Church was what I always believed, but it's been debunked with careful research. Kinda cool actually.)

But, you know, if Corey Booker can have a Spartacus moment, I'm not here to deny you a Copernicus moment.

 

Since I have come to kill Ceasar not to praise him i will respond to this.

Except that we did see that the women shot was part of a group that was actually physically trying to break down a door and actively involved in a fight with the LEO. We saw the consequences of those actions when another LEO was almost killed being trapped between a door. In that situation deadly force very well might’ve been justified as several LeO were injured with one killed.

 

Weren't their high level targets for the rioters right on the other side of the door also? Liked actual US reps?

 

They all laughed at the court jester as well.