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[GOP GA] gone wild

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Mar 26, 2021.

  1. J.R.

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  2. TheRealist137

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    Georgia GOP will walk back on this in no time. It's good to talk tough now, but the GOP cares mainly about money. Money will drive them to change back the law.
     
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  3. NotInMyHouse

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    Dr. Seuss literature.
     
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  4. NotInMyHouse

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    At this rate Republicans will unanimously vote for Biden’s infrastructure plan, which will raise the corporate tax rate, as punishment for these transgressions.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    The difference between China, Cuba, and the state of Georgia is that one is in the United States where we have greater expectations. Also, I support not having MLB all star games in China.
     
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  6. Deckard

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    I agree. While the reaction of Mr Floyd’s death from far too many in the Republican Party was an unseemly, to put it mildly, partisan attempt to somehow “profit” politically from the poor gentleman’s murder, the murder itself was the act of an individual without an ounce of humanity or a care for a human life, not an act from any political party.
     
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  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I'm going to take a wild guess that it is the one that immediately follows DL NO. A CA drivers license has several numbers all over it, but no one here has trouble figuring out that their driver's license number is. It is the big number right near the top center that immediately follows DL. People that can't figure out not to drive with an illegal weapon and drugs in a car with one headlight know what their driver's license number is. I think the Dems just believe all their voters are deeply stupid.
     
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  8. Mr.Scarface

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    I know white Republicans view Black voters: The enemy.
     
  9. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    didnt need an unclicked Faux News clip to understand that, did we.

    @StupidMoniker — just need a law where you can kneel right on black voters’ necks and all will be well. Just don’t let them have water. MAGA.
     
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  10. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    You are missing out, it is pretty funny.
    Or just enslave them again, right? That way we can count them as 3/5 of a person for apportionment, but don't have to worry about their ignorant opinions. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
    I'd appreciate you not casting aspersions upon my character.
     
  11. Deckard

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    I suppose that making an argument proving that these absurd requirements being imposed upon American voters to suppress the vote, in order to prevent “fraud” that doesn’t exist, simply doesn’t hold your interest? Guess what. Some voters don’t drive. It’s true.

    I’ll add that you really didn’t use enough of these - “:rolleyes:” - use more next time!
     
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    But what does Larry the Cable Guy think?
     
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  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    There have been over 1,000 criminal convictions of voter fraud, so it is quite a stretch to say it doesn't exist. Moreover, there are an unknown number of instances of voter fraud that are never discovered because it is impossible to know if someone filled out someone else's mail in ballot, or someone voted from a jurisdiction in which they were not a resident, or any of a number of other reasons, because most of the time no one is even checking. The most secure vote would be in person with valid photo ID and proof of residency. It would be difficult for a single person to have one fraudulent vote, and near impossible for one person to make multiple fraudulent votes. Having valid ID is not so great a barrier that I am unwilling to accept it to have free and fair elections. I have said it regardless of who wins, because to me it is a no brainer to ensure that selecting the people with the power of the state should be at least as secure as buying beer or picking up tickets at will call. Driving has nothing to do with the ability to have government issued photo ID.
    Alas, I used the maximum it would allow me to use. I felt being called an assaultive racist for posting a funny video in which black people are shocked to learn that white college students think they are unable to get ID or use the Internet merited it.
     
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  14. Buck Turgidson

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    Oh **** this. This is either completely ignorant of the system that sends players from Cuba to MLB, or it is willfully false.

    I wonder which? Neither is a good look for you, JR
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    It's actually extremely easy to catch voter fraud. And the opportunity cost is extremely high(5 years in prison) for it to risk such an easy thing to get caught with.

    Source the "10000" and over many election cycles and provide the denominator of the amount of total votes casted.

    The reason why it's easy is because election officials have the voter rolls which are binders of all registered voters and their addresses. When someone votes, their name is checked off. That means to commit fraud you would have to make the dangerous assumption that the person you are going to steal an identity of hasn't already voted or will agree or to vote later on in the day. Essentially you would have to stalk said individual and make sure they aren't going to vote. Because as soon as a duplicate attempt at the same registered Individual occurs it becomes flagged and an investigation will happen.

    I would say the overwhelming amount of attemps at fraud have been caught. And it goes back to opportunity cost. The value of a few additional votes for your guy or gal out of a denominator of millions of votes is not worth the opputuinity cost of pote risk felony charges and 5 years imprisonment.

    With the amount of time and rhetoric that the GOP has spent on this witch hunt of "voter fraud" with audit after audit to find any example they can yell at their base about examples, if it was a systemic problem that made a statistically signficant difference in our results, they would find hundreds of thousands. Yet all they can do is find dozens of actual cases spanning back a decade and twisting examples of people doing honest mistakes like moving to a different state and being registered in two states at the same time as examples of fraud.

    The problem with a lot of GOP voter ID desires is they want to change rules months to weeks before election and not fund the ids where the citizen has to pay for the ID which is effectively a poll tax which is unconstitutional.

    If you truly want to solve a problem that doesn't have a statistically signficant impact on anything by mandating voter ID, then make a grace period of at least one year and make it entirely financed by the government with zero fees and have systems in place that allow easy attainment that doesn't have long lines at places like RMVs where the only hours they are open are usually during working hours for wage workers where they have to take time off to get them when they love paycheck to paycheck where a drop in some hours might make them struggle to pay some utilities for the month. Hours are very important for poorer people. People don't understand that when people complain about things like long lines at polling stations. It's precisely because poorer people can afford less time than wealthier people.

    Also it's a solution to a problem that statistically through massive amounts of audits doesn't exist in a statistically signficant matter. If you want it for peace of mind because of right wing propaganda then by all means do it based on the guidelines I suggested above.
     
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  16. Amiga

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    NYT did an in-depth review of the 98-page GA voting law.... what does it really do? Great summary.

    And yes, it's partisan and designed for Republican. As Republican has often said out loud and publicly - we can't win if everyone vote.

    What Georgia’s Voting Law Really Does - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    The New York Times has examined and annotated the law, identifying 16 provisions that hamper the right to vote for some Georgians or strip power from state and local elections officials and give it to legislators.

    The new law will, in particular, curtail ballot access for voters in booming urban and suburban counties, home to many Democrats. Another provision makes it a crime to offer water to voters waiting in lines, which tend to be longer in densely populated communities.

    Here are the most significant changes to voting in the state, as written into the new law:
     
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  17. Amiga

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    According to the Heritage Foundation, there has been 1134 criminal conviction of voter fraud in the US. They cover a time period of 1982 to present day. There has been 11 Presidential elections, 21 congressional elections and numerous local elections. In that period of time, there has been well over 1 Billion votes casted. Let's just put it at exactly 1B. The rate of fraud per vote then is 0.000001134 or 0.0001%.

    No one said it doesn't exist, but it essentially doesn't.

    Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation
     
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    No wonder why he didn't place context on that number. Pathetic rhetoric from him.
     
  19. NewRoxFan

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    As with most of his arguments, he is intellectually dishonest. He knows voter fraud is so rare it is not a problem. He knows the GA law, as most other republican voter suppression laws, is not just about voter IDs. And he also knows voter IDs are not easy for everyone to get. Yet he posts the hyperpartisan line, and complains he is accused of racism while taking a racist position.
     
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    MLB needs to take away the Braves from georgia and these steroid Jim crow people. Somewhere like Delaware could use a team. And change their name while they're at it.
     

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