Why do conservatives want open immunity? On a more serious note: I don’t think this will work. People who are anti vaccines will just lie like some do already for work flu vaccine requirements. I think around August once everyone has had the chance to get the second dose or J&J shot and get immunity we open up.
It can work because there is already a centralized medical database of your vaccination. In TX, you can opt out of the database.
Media Bias Alert: Headlines on Vaccine Passports Show Distortion https://www.allsides.com/blog/media-bias-alert-headlines-vaccine-passports-show-distortion excerpt: My Take: Mandatory Vaccine Concerns Are Justified, But Media Distortion Isn't In my personal opinion, people are not wrong to speculate and be concerned about so-called “passports” paving the way for mandatory vaccines. People are not wrong to sound the alarm that vaccination could become de facto mandatory (if not legally mandatory) just by virtue of culture and the whole of society forcing you to comply. Whether the requirement comes from the government or is back-doored through businesses that will deny you entry if you don’t have it, the concerns about personal freedoms are valid. But media companies have a duty to be accurate and not fear-monger or leap ahead of current reality in their headlines. Headlines like The Daily Wire’s, Disclose.TV’s, and the New York Times’ are distorted and unclear. Many are concerned about vaccine requirements, and the media seems to be preying on this fear by crafting distorted headlines that make it sound like the vaccine is already mandatory in order to fuel outrage and make you click. Yes, it may become mandated, or (perhaps more likely) a majority of businesses will require it, so that it becomes impossible to go anywhere without being vaccinated, but so far that is speculation — and perhaps that's where this all is going, and this article will not age well as a result. But we’re not at that point, at least not just yet. The media should reflect the reality while also accurately spelling out the concerns by advocates for constitutional liberties. Many people are concerned that the vaccine is so new and want it to be tested for a longer period of time before injecting it into their bodies. Their views are not represented much in the press in general. You don’t necessarily have to go to sports stadiums or send your kids to public school, but you do have to eat. If airports, schools, and other locations require a vaccine, it could be a slippery slope to grocery stores like Walmart requiring it as well. This is a very valid concern for people who want control over their bodies. So while we should be on guard about government or business infringements upon our liberties, we should also demand a media ecosystem that employs honest reporting about what is really going on at the present moment. more at the link
We should just call them "Freedom Passports".... or "Right to Life Passports".... Since the passport is protecting my right to life from you killing me or my customers walking around spreading your deadly virus.
"America deserves a better endgame than vaccine passports": https://theweek.com/articles/974741/america-deserves-better-endgame-than-vaccine-passports excerpt: We've had this conversation before. I wrote about it almost exactly a year ago, when COVID-19 vaccines were still a distant hope and the proposal at hand was immunity passports for those who'd had the disease, built antibodies, and recovered. Though I absolutely feel the appeal of a passport system — I'm all for vaccinations and eager to to get back to normal life — I have the same objections now as then, which I'll revisit in a moment. But the more interesting question, perhaps, is why the passport idea has resurfaced now. I think it's because we need a pandemic endgame scenario, and we don't have one. Passports offer an endgame, true, but it's not the endgame we need. They're a bad hack of normalcy with a real risk of unintended, detrimental consequences. more at the link
"The Miami Heat Runs a Tricky Play: Prime Seats for the Vaccinated": https://www.wsj.com/articles/miami-heat-prime-seats-for-the-vaccinated-11617148308?mod=hp_listc_pos3 The Miami Heat Runs a Tricky Play: Prime Seats for the Vaccinated With no sign of an imminent electronic system to provide proof of vaccination to enter live events, venues are experimenting with their own approaches By Louise Radnofsky and Anne Steele April 1, 2021 6:00 am ET The Miami Heat is about to become the first sports franchise to attempt a groundbreaking play: requiring some fans to show proof of vaccination in order to get into games. It’s a decidedly low-tech operation, relying on paper cards distributed to the vaccinated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It will also, quite possibly, never be widely adopted. Around 450 Heat fans who flash CDC cards on Thursday showing they are fully vaccinated will be able to enter through a separate gate to gain access to two special “vaccinated sections” in AmericanAirlines Arena. They will still be required to mask, but can sit closer together than the other 3,500 fans there—and know that they’re only around other vaccinated people. The team says it’s a chance to test something that patrons want, expand attendance capacity, and boost the benefits of vaccination. “We’re eager to get more fans back in the building, and to incentivize vaccinations and get the word out that vaccinations can return us to normalcy,” said Matthew Jafarian, executive vice president of business strategy. The operation requires checking 450 cards against names on government-issued identifications to ascertain the type of vaccine the holder got, and whether the fans got their required one or two doses more than two weeks ago. “We are a business that has two decades dealing with verifying where people are sitting, if they’re in the right place. We’ve been dealing with fraudulent tickets, we’ve been checking people’s IDs for alcohol,” said Jafarian. He added: “But nobody’s done this before. And so we’re going to learn a lot.” Madison Square Garden says that New York Knicks and Rangers fans will also now be allowed to attend by showing either proof of vaccination or of a recent negative test, after previously only accepting negative test results. For test results, MSG has accepted results from fans displayed on a smartphone or a printout, directly from the healthcare provider that performed the test, that match the name on their identification. At 10% capacity, a maximum of 2,000 people will be coming for now. Doubts about the process have seemingly deterred most other venues, who have indicated they would only consider implementing checks on tens of thousands of individual ticket holders if local authorities demand it and they have technology to handle it—something that’s also looking increasingly unlikely. Instead, they’re watching vaccine rates in general, effectively trusting the odds will be in everyone’s favor. “If we truly can get to the point of full vaccination late spring, then of course there will be changes in how many people can gather safely in an arena,” Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban wrote in an email. “As the protocols change in accordance with the data, we will be ready and able to expand our audiences to as many as we safely can.” Angela de Cespedes, a litigation partner in Saul Ewing Arnstein & Lehr’s sports and entertainment practice group whose clients include sports franchises, said that setting up a system to confirm every patron’s vaccination status was far more complex and risky than any one venue would be willing to take on. Distancing, masking, discouraging yelling and changing eating arrangements are all significantly easier adaptations to increase fan capacity as vaccination numbers generally grew, she said. “Until we turn that corner when we feel more comfortable, and we have a system in place that makes sense, that’s logical, that works logistically on a wider scale, it’s just not going to be feasible,” she said. “I don’t see that getting implemented in any large-scale manner at all in 2021.” Venue operators privately agree, citing concerns such as wading into the highly regulated area of health privacy, amid potentially shifting findings from medical research over how long vaccinations may be effective. The Biden administration has repeatedly said that it won’t be creating a national registry of vaccinations, saying it is looking instead to the private sector. Some operators had been eyeing Ticketmaster, and the possibility it would modify its platform to offer test and vaccination tracking and take the problem off venues’ hands. Given its dominant position in ticketing, that could effectively create a system that would be easy for venues to adopt, and local authorities to require. Ticketmaster, however, is waiting for signals from authorities to move ahead—effectively keeping the idea going in circles. “We’re looking to government leaders to guide us on what is necessary to bring back live events until vaccines are widely available and we are free to gather without restrictions,” the company said in a statement. A person familiar with the company’s thinking said that increasingly, it seemed that it might not be worth it to ramp up a technological solution when demand might soon end. Ticketmaster faced public blowback in November when it was reported to be working on a tool that could allow venues to confirm a ticket holder’s vaccine status or recent test results, and quickly sought to distance itself from the idea. “We are not forcing anyone to do anything. Just exploring the ability to enhance our existing digital ticket capabilities to offer solutions for event organizers that could include testing and vaccine information with 3rd party health providers,” the statement said. It added: “There is absolutely no requirement from Ticketmaster mandating vaccines/testing for future events.” Write to Louise Radnofsky at louise.radnofsky@wsj.com and Anne Steele at anne.steele@wsj.com
I hate Ticketmaster. For decades they have been ripping off the ticket buying public with outrageous fees for simply purchasing a ticket to a concert, a play, a movie, a sports event - damn near anything you are required to purchase a ticket to experience. In fact, they have a near monopoly on handling ticket purchases and have been a driving force behind the absurd ticket prices we see today. If they were put in charge of handling “proof of vaccination for COVID-19 to facilitate travel” documentation, you can be sure that such a document would be yet another conduit for Ticketmaster to “rape and pillage” the general public. In my humble opinion. I will spare my fellow members yet another story about ticket prices for events in the 1960’s and 1970’s, when tickets were quite affordable to most events and most venues. “Service charges” were almost nonexistent in Houston, Austin, even in that running sore north of those fair cities, Dallas. Keep Ticketmaster out of it!
Remember when this was a thing and the republicans were pushing it? https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-goldberg-immigration-20120430-story.html
The database identifies a person to their name, not their SS#. It wont hold up in the courts. Red states will also oppose it. This is just another dumb topic designed to distract people. Now other countries may require a vaccination card.
It is a distraction. Some States will do it, some will not. It won't be here forever. By the time Court look at this, we are probably already over the need for it, at least for this round. I don't know what you are talking about wrt database.
I have a child. I have older parents that watch FoxNews, and believe the same crap you do. Do not tell me what I should or should not be worried about.
IMO this is not the way to incentivize vaccines, I think this would cause an even further divide in the country, politically, and with overall trust in science/gov. I think a smarter route is to require negative tests for large gatherings, exempt the vaccinated, and incentivize the vaccine through things that are more strictly positive reinforcement. Vaccine passports allowing for more freedoms may sound like positive reinforcement, but it very much is a negative reinforcement by withdrawing freedoms for those who are afraid or unwilling to get vaccinated. Something like offering a tax credit would be a good alternative that comes to mind, employer incentives like increased pay or additional vacations would be true positive reinforcement.
I think it's fine to have vaccine passports so long as you still allow those with a negative test to attend sporting events etc. It's not taking away anyone's freedom. No where in the constitution is your freedom to shop at walmart or attend basketball games guaranteed.
It may not be in the constitution but denying grocery store access is very much denying an essential activity. I'm fine with denials being made based on masks and negative test requirements, but not vaccines.
how do you feel about the digital privacy issues and having your health records (some of them anyway) on a state or national/global app's server?
If you want to travel to a place like India, getting a Visa there requires a travel vaccine proving you took different shots. https://www.passporthealthusa.com/destination-advice/india/ I'm not sure how this is game changing for world travel other than American tourists being self aware that they might be possible vectors of transmission.
