At the point they are unconscious, no. Could they have been resisting prior to losing consciousness? Yes. Could they begin resisting again after losing consciousness? Yes. Could they feign unconsciousness to be released from a position where they are unable to effectively resist, and then resist again from a better position? Yes.
"Resisting again after losing consciousness"? I think you might want to rephrase that. I can tell you don't have experience with passing someone out. It's not quite so easy to start fighting again after you've been passed out. Further under your argument you could just keep on submitting someone indefinitely. That goes against the idea that these are submission / control techniques the point of these techniques is to get them to the point where they can't resist through things like cuffing and taking them into custody. The argument here is that they never actually are in control so we can keep on using techniques that are designed to do things like cut off oxygen to the brain and induce stress on the cardiovascular system even where they aren't actually resisting. This is a frequent argument used that somehow these suspects are superhuman so lethal force is justified because even though they are held in cuffed, with multiple LEO on them, on the ground, they could suddenly Hulk out and break free.
I posted this back in 2014 about the Eric Garner death. The technique used on Garner was different but had some similarity that in that these are submission techniques and work similarly. I'm relinking this because there is still a lot of lack of understanding about how these techniques work and why they are dangerous. https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...one-seems-to-care.260433/page-18#post-9382248 I will also note that in that case Eric Garner was still standing, not cuffed and taken down by the LEO. In this case Floyd was already on the ground cuffed and with three LEO controlling him.
Was listening to a legal analyst for a local news channel. His read was that the defense has done as good a job as they could with Jury selection in that it was virtually impossible to find jurors who hadn't seen the video of George Floyd's death and had a negative reaction but gotten jurors who are willing to put aside their first reactions. Regarding the prosecution case he said they will like lay off "but for" arguments that George Floyd might've lived if not for Chauvin but focus on Chauvin's actions as being an unreasonable use of force. The defenses argument that George Floyd had a lot of fentynol in his system still has to get around that George Floyd did die while Chauvin was on top of him. The argument that George Floyd would've died anyway is a speculative argument since the fact was he died while Chauvin's knee was on him.
final summary and jury descriptions: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/03/final-chauvin-pretrial-notes.php
So you think its ok to continue to put a knee on his neck for any perceived resistance? Have you actually watched the video because you can actually see that none of this occurred. Also have you taken into account that there were multiple officers on the scene so why would you use that technique for that long? Once again you do know that they have videos and witnesses right?
I think they can maintain control of him until the medics arrive, which is what they did. I have watched multiple videos multiple times. I have taken into account that it seemed to take Chauvin and two other officers to maintain control of Floyd, as seen in the video. Herp derp.
The trial of Chauvin has officially started. Minneapolis is already on edge. This trial is likely to take at least a month so late April and May will be very tense.
Yes they can maintain control of him but as RK has said you do not "maintain" control with a knee on his neck. You can't be taken serious when you are saying they needed to maintain control by kneeling on a suspects neck. You also keep glossing over the fact Floyd was unconscious and Chauvin continued to kneel on his neck.
I am not sure why the video of GF's previous arrest is allowed into evidence. GF isn't on trial. The cop is on trial. What a crappy decision to allow it.
The argument made is that the prosecution is planning on argument that Floyd suffered "excited delirium" to explain some of his actions in regard to not fully complying. The defense then argued they should be able to counter to showing that Floyd acted similarly in the previous arrest. To do so they asked for the video of the previous evidence to be admitted. I'm not sure if that includes evidence regarding Floyd ingested drugs in the prior arrest.
Who cares what their argument is. He looked dead for about 4 minutes with that knee on his neck. He was NOT moving!!! People begged for them to check his pulse. They were pleading! It was horrific. It makes me sick to my stomach, along with that trail of urine leading from his body.
because it shows a pattern of behavior for GF. So nobody wrongly thinks that this was a random one time incident. I know you want to see the white cop get his. He will, but it will probably be manslaughter or less. Thats not gonna be enough, I know. Just remember that if GF were white, you wouldn’t care about any of this, just like the media wouldn’t.
Floyd has a pattern of behavior of being unconcoius for 5 minutes? You understand all that is irrelevant when Floyd was literally motionless for 5 minutes and Chauvin still had his knee on his neck while bystanders were begging the cops to check his vitals. The point of that hold technique is to control a resisting Individual. Floyd was incapable of resisting because.... He was literally unconcoius.
To me that is a weak argument from the defense. They should be allowed to use evidence from this arrest, but not previous ones.
Again, George Floyd is not on trial. His behavior at the time might be evidence. A pattern isn't relevant since GF is not on trial.
