With the high efficacy of the vaccines (75-98% or whatever), especially compared with the flu vaccine (40% ish), why are we wanting vaccine passports. Assuming everyone that wants a vaccine has been offered one, which isn't the case right now, but will be by the end of summer, why are we worried as to whether or not someone has had the vaccine? Say that person gives you coronavirus, and on the rare chance you catch it. There is a minimal chance you would have any issues with it. Probably far lesser than the flu. I get that people are probably worried about mutations and whatnot, but that will be less and less likely the more people that get vaccinated, and there are already strains happening. This is far more like the flu in the sense that we will possibly have a new vaccine yearly. Is a vaccine passports a new wave of the future? (I get that countries require certain vaccines to get into them) Is it an attempt at a money grab? An attempt to keep tabs on the people? What's it's purpose? I'm curious as to your thoughts.
I'm thinking eventually it will go away. Today, I think some businesses want you to be vaccinated. I think some even want regular negative testing. As far as state and cities - I'm not up to date on if any require vaccine "passport". It's not true that everyone that want one can get one by Summer. Under 16 can't get one until likely 2022. Some people cannot be vaccinated due to existing medical conditions or potential fatal allergic reactions.
It's not over, and it's not going to over for a good while. We are starting a new wave right now, variants are going to play a factor as well. You are thinking from a standpoint of herd immunity like we are going to have this under control like measles come summer, and that evaluation is extremely off base. Less than 15% of the country has been fully vaccinated, reinfection may not be as rare as people think, especially the longer people are going since being infected.
Rutgers announced yesterday that they will require all on-campus students to be vaccinated (I'm sure there are some tightly monitored medical exemptions), just like for measles, mumps, etc.... I think that's a fantastic idea.
Yeah, a lot of universities are looking into it, consulting their lawyers, etc. Interesting, what I'm hearing is that universities can require their students to get vaccinated but not their staff and profs.
Yep, article said employees were being "strongly encouraged". If you figure out the reasoning behind that, let us know.
I think it's just employment law, and it might vary a bit state to state. Employees have more "rights" than students, as far as I can tell. At my school, for instance, we require certain vaccines of students but not of employees. Somehow medical information is protected for employees absent extreme circumstances, (like starting to act crazy in the classroom, which is how I hope to go out.)
I’ve heard that the lack of general FDA approval for the vaccine is an issue with the lawyers. It might take years to move on from emergency FDA approval.
It's funny because it works both ways. In my OP, I talk about both herd immunity and the fact that it likely will not go away and will be a yearly thing. I get what you're saying, but that second paragraph is off base.
I interpreted in a different way, what your saying is who cares if there is spread it's the liability of the people who aren't vaccinated, why should the vaccinated care to be around the non vaccinated since they are safe. Correct? I read it as the vaccines are effective, and since most people will be vaccinated why care since we will be safe from herd immunity. I think we are going to have around 100+ mill unwilling to be vaccinated.
I actually love the "I live in fear" mask in a cartoon that fears getting "microchipped" by Bill Gates. LMFAO. Yea-ah.
You know damn well that the vaccine already gives you the microchip so the Lizard People can track you in case you need to be eliminated by the Jewish Space Lasers. Artist's rendition of JR in his treehouse:
JR got hacked by mojo man lol I agree there is questionable personal rights / freedom issues with a vaccine passport, but tying that into masks is the work of a clown
Yeap. We can either stay semi shutdown until enough of us are vaccinated or we can start opening up to all that have been vaccinated or when the number of daily infected is way down. Hopefully it also give a huge incentive to everyone to get vaccinated ... the sooner we reach mass vaccination the sooner we can stop the spread
