1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Cade, Green, Kuminga, or Suggs?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mr Woods, Mar 12, 2021.

?

Who should the Rockets draft?

  1. Cade Cunningham - 6’7 PG, 220 lbs, 19 yrs old

    415 vote(s)
    68.4%
  2. Jalen Green - 6’5 SG, 180 lbs, 19 yrs old

    61 vote(s)
    10.0%
  3. Jonathan Kuminga - 6’8 SF, 210 lbs, 18 yrs old

    35 vote(s)
    5.8%
  4. Jalen Suggs - 6’4 PG, 205 lbs, 19 yrs old

    50 vote(s)
    8.2%
  5. Other

    46 vote(s)
    7.6%
  1. ipaman

    ipaman Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2002
    Messages:
    13,201
    Likes Received:
    8,040
    Really good player but not sure there's a place for him in today's NBA due to his limited athleticism and pnr sets. I just can't see it.
     
    wolstein likes this.
  2. wolstein

    wolstein Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2020
    Messages:
    33
    Likes Received:
    48
  3. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    22,530
    Likes Received:
    14,262
    Playmaking/running an offense is just one of those foundational skills that impacts so much of a team. Cunningham has that plus great size that makes him a high floor, high ceiling type of player that you want with a number one pick.
     
    saleem likes this.
  4. Milos

    Milos Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2001
    Messages:
    1,237
    Likes Received:
    1,140
    Luka Garza = Big Country Reeves
     
  5. D-rock

    D-rock Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    40,743
    Likes Received:
    64,232
  6. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,229
    Likes Received:
    143,654
    So since people wanted to make such a big deal out of Cade’s performance in the NCAA Tournament, why are the Suggs fans so quiet about his play so far?

    2 games: 7-21 from the field, 1-9 from 3, 5 assists, and 8 turnovers

    That’s supposed to put him ahead of Cade?
     
  7. Mr Woods

    Mr Woods Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    1,175
    Likes Received:
    3,013


    Finally.

    Here’s a really good breakdown film on Jalen Green.
     
    FrontRunner and D-rock like this.
  8. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,229
    Likes Received:
    143,654
    I really don’t get having Suggs as your #1 pick...he looks to have the lowest upside and is the most boring pick out of the consensus top 5

    I love Jalen Green, he’s a very exciting prospect...very explosive, but also skilled

    with Cade, I love that he can easily play several different positions with his height and wingspan combined with his shooting and skill
     
    Shark44, joshuaao, arabrocket and 4 others like this.
  9. BallSoHarden

    BallSoHarden Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2015
    Messages:
    2,966
    Likes Received:
    3,639
    I think the best name right now for this org would be to bring in V Stiviano.
     
    stilldr34amin' likes this.
  10. saleem

    saleem Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2001
    Messages:
    30,218
    Likes Received:
    14,657
    What is your opinion about Mobley and Kuminga? I like Cade and Green. Suggs not so much.
     
    CVcrew, Lloyd Estacio and arabrocket like this.
  11. Lloyd Estacio

    Lloyd Estacio Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2018
    Messages:
    351
    Likes Received:
    305
    My order is Cade, Green, Mobley
     
    saleem likes this.
  12. CXbby

    CXbby Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2002
    Messages:
    9,081
    Likes Received:
    11,967
    But it's only two games...or does that only apply to Cade? Suggs team is blowing opponents out by an average of 30, they haven't needed him. In spots he has looked explosive and spectacular, as usual, which is more than can be said of Cade. For the entirety of the season Suggs has put up better numbers than Cade, higher efficiency high PER, let's not even talk about winning but I don't hold that against Cade.

    With that said Suggs and Mobley were always 1a and 1b for me but it's starting to look like Mobley is pulling away.
     
    Jontro likes this.
  13. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,229
    Likes Received:
    143,654
    2 tournament games was all it took for Cade to “not be a winner” and slip, but for Suggs, it’s excuses time. Slightly better efficiency and PER? Yes. Better numbers? Lol, no. In no world is 14, 5, and 4 better numbers than 20, 6, and 4. Nice try tho.

    Winning? Lmao, this is pretty much the same Gonzaga team that went 31-2 last year. Meanwhile, Oklahoma State finished barely above .500 last season. Gimme a break with that nonsense as if Cade wouldn’t have been winning a ton in Gonzaga as well. Gonzaga is so good Suggs can play like absolute trash, and it’s “doesn’t matter, Gonzaga hasn’t needed him.” Lol
     
  14. CXbby

    CXbby Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2002
    Messages:
    9,081
    Likes Received:
    11,967
    You know 20 6 4 is about what Andrew Wiggins averaged last year right? There is absolutely a way for 14 5 4 in 7 less minutes to be more impactful to winning, that's what per, ws, bpm, efficiency etc are trying to measure.

    Btw per 40 minutes Suggs averaged 20.2 points, on a stacked team and as a dpoy candidate. Cade? 22.8 points as the undisputed number 1 option. A whole 2 points more.
     
  15. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,229
    Likes Received:
    143,654
    Me personally, I’m not a fan of the big man in general so I would be more excited with Cade and Green. It’s really not a big man’s league unless you’re Embiid, AD, or Jokic caliber. The potential is undeniable tho.

    Kuminga has great athleticism and physical tools, but he needs major work on his shooting...his entire playing history up until this point is basically terrible shooting on high volume

    in the G-League: 25% from 3 on 5 attempts a game, and 63% from the line on 4 attempts a game

    in the 2019 Nike EYBL, he shot 30% from 3 on 8 attempts a game and 63% from the line...he shot 55% from the line in the 2018 EYBL

    they say free throw shooting is probably the greatest indicator of your ability as a shooter and success as a shooter in the NBA, and well, we see how that’s been going for him...with that said, if he developed an adequate shot, he could be a very good 2-way player
     
    joshuaao, cheke64 and saleem like this.
  16. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,229
    Likes Received:
    143,654
    lmao, this dude really just brought up Andrew Wiggins...

    Wiggins 20 points came on below average efficiency, Cade’s didn’t...Wiggins 20 points came on 1 of the worst teams in the league...Cade guided his team to a 21-9 record

    Hmmm, I wonder what those advanced stats would be for Cade if he was on a team as great as Gonzaga while Suggs was down there in Oklahoma State? Sure does help your efficiency when you’re not the sole focus of the defense like Cade was every night and don’t have to force up shots all the time because your team needs scoring and hardly anyone else can provide it. And even then, still had 57% TS and shot 40% from 3 on mostly unassisted attempts.

    Cade plays bad in the tournament: not a winner, slips in rankings

    Suggs plays even worse: doesn’t matter, his team doesn’t need him

    keep the excuses coming
     
    D-rock and houston19519 like this.
  17. CXbby

    CXbby Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2002
    Messages:
    9,081
    Likes Received:
    11,967
    Suggs is more efficient and averages only 2 less points per 40 minutes, with elite defense. Put him on ok state and he's putting up 25-30 as the number 1 option. It doesn't take advanced stats just half a brain.
     
  18. saleem

    saleem Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2001
    Messages:
    30,218
    Likes Received:
    14,657
    Thanks, I appreciate your valuable input.
     
    raining threes likes this.
  19. saleem

    saleem Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2001
    Messages:
    30,218
    Likes Received:
    14,657
    Mine too.
     
    raining threes and mac_got_this like this.
  20. mac_got_this

    mac_got_this Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2007
    Messages:
    11,238
    Likes Received:
    9,659
    Looking at Wall, if we indeed get a top 3 pick and get one of the guards how are we going to indeed navigate the development around Wall?
     
    saleem likes this.

Share This Page