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[CNN] Bernie Sanders doesn't 'feel comfortable' about Twitter's permanent ban against Trump despite

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    Bernie taking a principled stand:

    Bernie Sanders doesn't 'feel comfortable' about Twitter's permanent ban against Trump despite him being a 'pathological liar'

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/24/politics/bernie-sanders-trump-twitter-ban/index.html

    excerpt:

    Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders denounced former President Donald Trump in strong terms in an interview released Tuesday but said Twitter's permanent suspension of the former Republican president doesn't sit right with him.

    "Look, you have a former president in Trump, who is a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, a xenophobe, a pathological liar, an authoritarian, somebody who doesn't believe in the rule of law. This is a bad news guy," Sanders, who sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, said on the New York Times podcast "The Ezra Klein Show" when asked by Klein if there's "truth to the critique that liberals have become too censorious."

    "But if you're asking me, do I feel particularly comfortable that the President, the then-President of the United States could not express his views on Twitter? I don't feel comfortable about that," Sanders continued.

    Two days after the January 6 insurrection at the US Capitol, Twitter permanently suspendedTrump from its platform, saying the decision was "due to the risk of further incitement of violence" and that Trump's last posts "violated the company's policy against glorification of violence."

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    During his interview on the Times podcast, Sanders argued that social media platforms shouldn't be used to spread hate speech and conspiracy theories, and that the internet shouldn't be used for "authoritarian purposes and insurrection."

    Sanders said he doesn't know how to strike a balance, "but it is an issue that we have got to be thinking about."

    He also noted that while Trump was banned, "tomorrow it could be somebody else who has a very different point of view."

    "So I don't like giving that much power to a handful of high tech people. But the devil is obviously in the details and it's something we're going to have to think long and hard on, and that is how you preserve First Amendment rights without moving this country into a big lie mentality and conspiracy theories," he said.
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    more at the link
     
    #1 Os Trigonum, Mar 24, 2021
  2. tinman

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    Maybe Bernie cares about free speech just as he does about taxing people
     
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    Almost all of his stands are principled this is just the one you like lol
     
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  4. Os Trigonum

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    for freedom of speech and against censorship? what's not to like?
     
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    remember what Mill said about eccentricity:

    https://blog.supplysideliberal.com/post/78289711701/john-stuart-mill-in-praise-of-eccentricity

    In this age, the mere example of nonconformity, the mere refusal to bend the knee to custom, is itself a service. Precisely because the tyranny of opinion is such as to make eccentricity a reproach, it is desirable, in order to break through that tyranny, that people should be eccentric. Eccentricity has always abounded when and where strength of character has abounded; and the amount of eccentricity in a society has generally been proportional to the amount of genius, mental vigour, and moral courage which it contained. That so few now dare to be eccentric, marks the chief danger of the time.​
     
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    I guess about as much as there isn't to like about universal healthcare, universal college, universal pre-school/daycare, living wages, rapid action against climate change etc ;)
     
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    Even if Bernie hates on humanity's savior Elon, he should never be censored
    no one should
    We're Americans except for the China trolls using VPN to get to this site
     
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  8. Os Trigonum

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    all that costs money. free speech is, well, free
     
    #8 Os Trigonum, Mar 24, 2021
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    Oh, well f*ck that stuff then
     
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    exactly
     
    #10 Os Trigonum, Mar 24, 2021
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    Until lies and incitement to violence, (or Kraken would say "things that no reasonable person could believe"), end up costing people their lives, I guess, sure. Then it's not free. It's very costly.

    Hidden costs absorbed by society for some people's right to keep yelling "fire!" in crowded digital theaters. Don't think it's simple or cut-and-dried no matter how one slices the issue.

    Bernie should not be comfortable with the ban, especially as he doesn't like big companies in general. Nor should he be comfortable with a POTUS who lied and helped fan the flames of violence after clearly, objectively losing a national election. People like Trump place good actors in impossible situations; that's the root of the M.O. "Comfort" is not really a goal of surviving people like Trump.
     
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    equating free speech with yelling "fire" in a theater is disingenuous, don't you think?
     
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    lol
     
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    What does free speech have to do with a nongovernmental entity like Twitter?
     
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    Twitter has every right to enforce its rules, and moreover I'm comfortable with that. What I'm not comfortable with would be them enforcing their rules in a biased way, as a way to punish political opponents.

    Trump was a serial violator of their rules, wasn't he? I'm not losing sleep over him being booted off their platform.

    I appreciate free speech as much as the next guy. People still have to follow rules, and there has to be consequences for not doing so.
     
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    Tinman, perhaps you failed to realize that the guy who owns Twitter is a billionaire, so you should be in favor of him doing what he wants and f free speech.
     
    #17 glynch, Mar 24, 2021
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    When you talk about Trump and banning his speech, it needs to be in the realm of how we'd ban, or not a cleric figure for an extremist group more than it needs to be about a persona who just trolls, and spreads lies like an Alex Jones.

    It's a real question as to whether Trump can be trusted or not in order to incite and inspire violence. If we all agree his rhetoric as a clear clerical figure is inciting of violence potentially... then we also have to all agree that if he was alive Osama Bin Laden should also be allowed a Twitter voice.

    So I'm with Bernie here for the most part.... but the two issues with this are:

    A. Are we going to also allow radical extremist clerics to be on social media as well... because we also have to do that and
    B. Twitter has the ability to deny anyone and everyone... as ruled on by the Supreme Court. We also cannot view a bad by Twitter as taking away Trumps freedom of Speech.
     
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    Not all Billionaires are the same, ALL HOUSTON ROCKETS FANS KNOW THIS
    @J.R. @Reeko

    ZZ Top should sue him too
     
    #19 tinman, Mar 24, 2021
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    It makes sense that Sanders would be for regulating private companies for what he considers a free speech argument. Not so much for the Right, especially considering how many Right leaning groups defended the right bakers to "censor" messages that they disagree with.
     
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