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Update:San Francisco School Board VP recalled for calling Asians -White Supremacists and N-Word-ers!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Mar 22, 2021.

  1. tinman

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    She's getting all the races confused when she's being racist
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    Her tweets have since sparked outrage, with many San Franciscans expressing disbelief.

    "My elderly Asian parents and grandparents as well as the AAPI community are NOT 'house n-words,'" wrote one user. "You racist bigot. Retract this and apologize NOW!"

    Collins had previously drawn scrutiny for being a strong proponent of Lowell High School dropping its merit-based admissions process, calling merit-based admissions "racist" since the school was majority Asian American and did not enroll as many African American and Latino students relative to their population in the city.
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  2. jiggyfly

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    She deserves to be fired.

    When keeping it real or woke comes back to bite you in the ass.

    And yes black people can be racist as well as asians against blacks.
     
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  3. rocketsjudoka

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    I had heard about this earlier and sounds pretty messed up to me. I'm guessing she won't have her job for long. If these were from 2016 surprised it took this long for them to become an issue.
     
  4. durvasa

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    I don't think it's coincidental that it is coming up at a time when liberal progressives have increased interest in racism against Asian Americans. Sensitivity over uses of the n-word when its not being directed at black people also seems to have really picked up in the last few years.
     
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    I imagine it has to do with the violence being directed at asians. Without that this probably remains buried despite it being foul.
     
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    Yes probably the recent attention on violence directed at Asian Americans why her tweets are resurfacing now.
     
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  7. durvasa

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    The core message of what she's saying doesn't seem all that out of step with modern progressive messaging on racism and white supremacy. Asian Americans attitudes, particularly from the older generation, are "white supremacist" according to contemporary usage of the word. Meritocracy is also increasingly viewed as white supremacist by modern progressives.

    Was this the offensive part? Note that she didn't actually call them "house n****r". She was making an argument by analogy.

    I'm not agreeing with her, to be clear, but I do find it hypocritical if progressives are deciding to pile on her for this.
     
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  8. tinman

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    This is way worse than what anything
    Speedy Gonzales or Kermit the Frog ever said
     
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  9. tinman

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    so she basically called all these kids racists for making the grade to be in that high school

    What is she going to do instead of merit based admission or location based ?
    is she going to admit students on which looney tunes character they like ?

    Collins had previously drawn scrutiny for being a strong proponent of Lowell High School dropping its merit-based admissions process, calling merit-based admissions "racist" since the school was majority Asian American and did not enroll as many African American and Latino students relative to their population in the city.
     
  10. StupidMoniker

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    Lottery. She wants everyone to have an equal chance to get in.
     
  11. tinman

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    Sounds like a horrible idea
    What if the kid lives a block from the school and can’t go to it cause of a lottery
    And the kid has to go across town because of the lottery
     
  12. jiggyfly

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    Dude stop.

    None of what she said has anything to do with the modern progressive message.

    I know you are smarter than that.

    Asian American messages have never been white supremacist, maybe Asian superiority but not white supremacy it was and is a dumb argument.
     
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    From the wikipedia article on white supremacy:




    The term white supremacy is used in some academic studies of racial power to denote a system of structural or societal racism which privileges white people over others, regardless of the presence or the absence of racial hatred. White racial advantages occur at both a collective and an individual level (ceteris paribus, i. e., when individuals are compared that do not relevantly differ except in ethnicity). Legal scholar Frances Lee Ansley explains this definition as follows:

    By "white supremacy" I do not mean to allude only to the self-conscious racism of white supremacist hate groups. I refer instead to a political, economic and cultural system in which whites overwhelmingly control power and material resources, conscious and unconscious ideas of white superiority and entitlement are widespread, and relations of white dominance and non-white subordination are daily reenacted across a broad array of institutions and social settings.[75][76]

    This and similar definitions have been adopted or proposed by Charles W. Mills,[77] bell hooks,[78] David Gillborn,[79] Jessie Daniels,[80] and Neely Fuller Jr,[81] and they are widely used in critical race theory and intersectional feminism. Some anti-racist educators, such as Betita Martinez and the Challenging White Supremacy workshop, also use the term in this way. The term expresses historic continuities between a pre–civil rights movement era of open white supremacy and the current racial power structure of the United States. It also expresses the visceral impact of structural racism through "provocative and brutal" language that characterizes racism as "nefarious, global, systemic, and constant".[82] Academic users of the term sometimes prefer it to racism because it allows for a distinction to be drawn between racist feelings and white racial advantage or privilege.[83][84][85] John McWhorter, a specialist in language and race relations, explains the gradual replacement of "racism" by "white supremacy" by the fact that "potent terms need refreshment, especially when heavily used", drawing a parallel with the replacement of "chauvinist" by "sexist"[86].

    Some have characterized the term's recent rise in popularity among leftist activists as counterproductive. John McWhorter has described the use of "white supremacy" as straying from its commonly accepted meaning to encompass less extreme issues, thereby cheapening the term and potentially derailing productive discussion.[87][88] Political columnist Kevin Drum attributes the term's growing popularity to frequent use by Ta-Nehisi Coates, describing it as a "terrible fad" which fails to convey nuance. He claims that the term should be reserved for those who are trying to promote the idea that whites are inherently superior to blacks and not used to characterize less blatantly racist beliefs or actions.[89][90] The use of the academic definition of white supremacy has been criticized by Conor Friedersdorf for the confusion it creates for the general public inasmuch as it differs from the more common dictionary definition; he argues that it is likely to alienate those it hopes to convince.[90]
     
  14. tinman

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    oh snap

     
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    There certainly are Asians who express racist sentiments particularly towards blacks. What Collins seems to be criticizing isn't those sentiments but that Asian students are buying into the idea of "meritocracy" as racist and using terms that have used to criticize successful black Americans.

    It's a tortured argument and one that goes to many of the problems with our society. It's also one of the things that has caused division between Asians and other minority groups. It's the dark side of the "Model Minority" and she appears to be buying into it by claiming that Asian success is adding to blacks being held down. As should be painfully obvious that Asians are not a monolithic group. That there are many successful Asians there are also many poor Asians and even Asians exploited and forced to work in the sex industry.
     
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    I agree, it's counterproductive. It is one thing to point out the problems of systemic racism in the system including a problem of differing expectations between the differing races. To lump in the idea of "meritocracy" with "white supremacy" is to cheapen the term "white supremacy" and cloud the issue. Yes it's fair to say that longstanding racisms has made it harder for black Americans to compete on par with groups that weren't systematically oppressed. That isn't to say that success in measurable terms shouldn't be awarded.

    It is arguments like this that often hinder Democratic and Progressive political success as language such as "Meritocracy is racist" is very easily hijacked.
     
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    Isn’t she basically saying that she hates that the Asian kids got in via merit based admissions?

    isn’t that what educators want ? Kids who are excellent at learning ?

    does she watch looney tunes ?
     
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    Asians are pretty racist, but so is she.
     
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    I’m sure those PTA meetings going to suck for her
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    It sounds like she thinks that Asian kids are succeeding by adopting a system she considers racists. This is the problem though with this argument because it's not easily explained.
     
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