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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Montgomery County is proud to report that 50,100 residents have been vaccinated. Of course, they neglect to tell you that is only 8% of the over 610,000 residents in the county. Well less than the United States (11.5%). Well less than even the state of Texas (9.9%).

    More than 50K in Montgomery County are vaccinated against COVID-19
    https://www.yourconroenews.com/neig...698.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
     
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  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    To be fair, the 600,000+ includes children who can't be vaccinated and others who do not yet qualify.
     
  3. NewRoxFan

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    I believe all of the % vaccinated statistics are of total population... and if correct, would provide for the valid comparison of how behind Montgomery County is...
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health...d-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state
     
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    A year ago...

     
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    birx still trying to rehab her career... note she then said of trump: “He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data, I think his ability to analyze & integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues.”

     
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    Protocol? We are humans not robots. Do what makes SENSE, not what the "rules" say.
     
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    More variants, more problems...
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/willia...described-in-the-philippines/?sh=4846166673ca


    Following orders is why she's in the hotzone.
     
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    I don't know whether Paul actually believes this but he should know better..
     
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    It's a short clip so not sure what else was all said. But just based on that short clip...

    Paul is right that if you have immunity, you don't need to wear masks. He is wrong thought, because ...

    1- Masking was never just about protecting an individual, but the collective. So, you weight masking vs collective protection, not just individual protection.

    2- Vaccinated ("immunity") is different from spreading or infection. You can be vaccinated and still be infectious and spreading. However, the data is getting much clearly that you don't spread. But...

    3- With still 50k infection daily in the US (yes, we all went down from such a high that most think 50k is probably low when it's close to the peak last summer) and much more worldwide, the chances of new strain and mutation is still there and very dangerous. A new dangerous strain that is vaccine resistance won't be detected until it's too late. Masking in large group indoor and other situation is sensible until we are way down in daily cases.
     
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    I'm not judging Paul just by that short clip but the breadth of what he's said during this whole pandemic. He was claiming before he got it that this was overblown and then after he got it still kept on that it was overblown but now that he has immunity. He's been one of those pushing herd immunity that more people should get infected.
     
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    I haven't followed him, so didn't know about his personal views and agenda. But nevertheless, his stance in that short clip is wrong.
     
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    Yes he's been pushing natural immunity and been one of Fauci's antagonist. Here he is back in November.
    https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article247264944.html

    Rand Paul bashes his ‘Twitter haters,’ touts natural immunity over COVID-19 vaccine
    BY JEREMY CHISENHALL

    NOVEMBER 18, 2020 03:01 PM,
    UPDATED NOVEMBER 18, 2020 07:02 PM

    Sen. Rand Paul called out his “haters” Wednesday after he drew social media criticism for saying that contracting COVID-19 led people to have greater immunity than a vaccine would.

    “Why does the left accept immune theory when it comes to vaccines, but not when discussing naturally acquired immunity?” Paul asked in a tweet Tuesday. The tweet was preceded by another social media post in which he said natural immunity to COVID-19 was “99.9982% percent effective.”

    Critics of Paul’s remark pointed out that the vaccine wouldn’t present the same dangers as the virus itself. Coronavirus has now killed nearly 250,000 people in the United States. Paul explained Wednesday that he didn’t intend to argue against vaccines. Instead, he was saying COVID-19 patients should “celebrate immunity if lucky enough to survive.”

    “Sad that Twitter haters argue that accepting the science of immunity means a person lacks compassion,” Paul said. “I have friends who are seriously ill & hope & pray for their recovery. Perhaps the haters could simply examine the evidence of immunity & not immediately devolve into ad hominem.”

    Paul’s tweets came in reaction to Pfizer and Moderna reports that their vaccines were around 95 percent effective. Both vaccines are in trials, though Pfizer announced Wednesday it would ask the Food and Drug Administration for emergency use authorization within days.

    Paul had COVID-19 in March and has since argued that people who recovered from the virus should throw away their masks. He has also said recovered COVID-19 patients should serve senior citizens at restaurants.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert, criticized Paul’s assertions about herd immunity and COVID-19 back in September when Paul suggested to Fauci that New York city had reached herd immunity.

    “I challenge that, senator... This happens with Sen. Rand all the time,” Fauci responded. “You are not listening to what the director of the CDC said, that in New York (the infection rate) is about 22%. If you believe 22% is herd immunity, I believe you are alone in that.”
    More at link.
     
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    Absolutely agreed.

    For comparison, USA became the leader in number of covid cases, exceeding Italy and China, on March 26, 2020 with total cumulative cases of 80,000. Now we're diagnosing 50,000 a day and it feels low.

    I don't really understand the resistance to continue to mask. It just rationally doesn't make sense why some people are so against it.

    Other mitigation methods have high benefit and high costs. Closing schools and restaurants has huge economic costs, mandatory vaccination has cost in intruding on personal liberty and body autonomy, social distancing can damage mental health.

    Mask wearing has tangible benefit in infection reduction with next to zero costs.

    I can understand governors lifiting restrictions on restaurants and stores to lessen economic damage. However a public proclamation of lifting of mask mandates just feels like virtue signaling and political theater.
     
  18. Amiga

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    War on mask! It's one of the dumbest things I've seen. Good thing it's a small segment of the population.

    We also seem to have hit a wall at 50k and we are seeing a rise in cases and hospitalization in Michigan. Personally, I think we should stay more locked down (indoor restaurant, bars, large gathering in door, etc) until a higher percentage of the population is vaccinated. Maybe that can be a very good incentive for folks to go get vaccinated.

    COVID-19 cases are rising again in Michigan. Why? | News Hits (metrotimes.com)
     
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