Alarming surge’ in anti-Asian violence across US terrifies community members

Really? Go out man. In NoVa it ain't that bad. Go on a nature jog and clear your mind.

 

Um. Don't worry about "triggering" me. As a white dude, I don't have the power to "cancel" anyone. I just said that your comparison of crimes against particular individuals (elderly people of asian descent) and crimes against general communities and businesses (Minniapolice, etc) rings hollow to me in terms of intent being of the same type. Was it anger against inequality in both cases? Feel free to make your point more clear.

And if you feel that Asians are "stereotyped" as the more rich strata of society, then you are admitting that racism is involved. My original point was that in reality, both whites and asians are richer than blacks. Thus I asked you why we don't see fox news media saying there is racism against whites? Where is the white-life-matters protests?

This thread is about racism. You seemed to try to steer the issue toward the socioeconomic issues of society, thereby undermining the media's take that there is an uptick of racism toward Asians after the covid and Trump's rhetoric about covid.

I still trust the media and think that the onus is on you to disprove that there is an uptick of racism fueled crimes against Asian community. We can agree to disagree. Jeremy Lin definitely thinks so. It could be that asians are trying to pre-emptively stop crime this way but then it is up to right wing media to disprove their claims.

Sorry, but your Kanye reference got lost on me. He is a great musician all the same.

 

You gotta admit that his "Adolf" haircut arouses one's suspicions. In response to that sheriff trying to "humanize" this POS he didn't have a bad day - those people he killed in cold blood were the ones who had a BAD day.

 

Gee, I wonder if it ever occurred to her to talk to her former boss?

 

I wasn't trying to imply income disparities as intent. That's why I wrote that I didn't want to pretend to know what the attackers are thinking.

I'm saying the increased income gaps are increasing the intensity of crimes or social unrest.

 

Objectifying Chinese women that @Nook mentions or the Asians-are-rich stereotype that @Invisible Fan brought up might not be what people would consider "hate" but to me it would seem that crimes made with those underlying assumptions are actually "hate crimes". I'm no lawyer but if severity or target of a crime is determined by these type of "lesser" racist stereotypes, then the victim had suffered a loss specifically due to their race and if there is a crime of murder, like in this case, then whatever the little racist based nudge that happened still equates to hate based murder - the ultimate price from the perspective of the victim..

This hate should stop and our politicians should not inflame it. Freedom of speech is great and I love it but politicians should be held accountable for spreading hate once their platform is beyond a certain threshold and influence.

 

just a point of reference,

Chao and her family were, at one time, as anti-communist as a family can be.
then, the chao family proceeded to own a shipping co w financing help from the state-owned bank of CCP.

Elaine Chao, Moscow Mitch's Bridge to the ChiCom

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like Trump, the Chao family is all about the self-interest of the family, much less about ideology / ethnicity / country​

 

It gets hard to prosecute “hate crimes” and it is why some say it shouldn’t be an elevated charge, that simply a crime is a crime. Asian Americans face discrimination and long have. It is perhaps different in some ways that other groups; but it is real and for 100+ years nothing was said about. Asians were sent to camps 70 years ago, and the USA essentially redesigned Japan culturally with the idea that the Japanese women were sex starved for white men, were subservient and defer to men... that impacts Asian women to this day. There are hurtful stereotypes for Asian males as well... yet it has been acceptable to “joke” about these stereotypes until recently.

 

There's also this weird Chinese or Japanese dynamic that flipped in the 2000s.

I bet Asian Americans from other countries are enthused.

 

76-yr old Asian woman fought back against her assailant w a wooden bat.



She said , while waiting for a traffic light to change on Market St. in SF,a man came up to her and punched her by her left eye.
Despite her injuries, Xie fought back, 'and picked up a wooden board and hit her assailant, she told KPIX5 through a translator, her Grandson,

"Very traumatized, very scared and this eye is still bleeding,"
"The right eye still cannot see anything and (is) still bleeding and we have something to absorb the bleeding."
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the 39-yr old assailant was later arrested by the police.

 

The problem with violence against Asians is the same problem with the discrimination against African-Americans.

It is the people who hold the power. Yet those same people that hold the power try to turn these groups against each other.

Sadly there has long been a belief amongst some that if they just play nice and don't complain the prejudice won't affect them.

Luckily people in these groups are speaking up. They need to continue and realize they have a common opponent. It is those that hold the power. Not each other.

 

Catherine Ceniza Choy, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of California, Berkeley, said that
to disregard race in the acts of violence would erase the harassment and violence Asian women have faced for more than a century, since they first came to the country.

"Saying that this violence is not racially motivated is part of a related history of the denial of racism in the Asian American experience," Choy said. "Racism and white supremacy have been and tragically continue to be part of the Asian American experience."

"Killing Asian American women to eliminate a man's temptation speaks to the history of the objectification of Asian and Asian American women as variations of the Asian temptress, the dragon ladies and the lotus blossoms, whose value is only in relation to men's fantasies and desires," she said. "This is horrifying. Stop fetishizing us."

Such ideas are particularly dangerous, experts said, as they put the onus on women to avoid violence, further fueling society's "misogynistic mentality about women,"

"It's akin to 'I raped her because her skirt was too short.'
No — you raped her because society has told you you're entitled to women," she said.
"It absolutely gaslights Asian women, and [it] does play into how hypersexualized we are by society."


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-...d-atlanta-case-involving-killing-six-n1261347

 

were the massage parlors the type where you get happy endings? If so, the objectification has more to them being sex workers than race. No different than how men objectify strippers.

 

That's a badass grandma. What would possess a person to punch a random old lady? People are F'ed.

 

As an Asian American, most of the racism directed to me has been from whites growing up in Houston suburbs. Sure, I've gotten the random Yao Ming comment playing pickup ball from minorities, but that's certainly not as hateful as people pulling up in cars and screaming go back to your country or being almost clipped by a car that intentional swerves at you.

It's well known that Asians get targeted by robbers and thieves because of the stereotype that we carry cash. But poisonous rhetoric can also increase targeted crimes because once you dehumanize a group, people can feel justified doing anything to them.

 

This isn't a matter of whether Long particularly harbored hate towards those women because they were Asian. The problem is that too many Asian women are forced into sex work and these type of massage parlors have been fronts for that and human trafficking. This has a lot to do with the objectification and stereotyping of Asian women in US culture so that they are often seen as sex objects.

Whether Long was directly motivated out of racism there is racism involved in the prevalence of the underground sex industry run out of these type of businesses. I believe misogyny is the main driver of this but this incident should shed a light on other issues.

 

Growing up I had racism directed at me by mostly whites but also by blacks. As a kid growing up in a primarily white neighborhood I was often mildly teased but had a few instances that became physical including people trying to injure me playing sports. As a kid I used to get into a lot of fights over many things and anger over racial taunts was part of it. Worse was I remember my dad getting humiliated on a few occasions by people making fun of his accent and treating him like an idiot because of it even though he was a Physics professor at Rice University.

For how horrible this incident was and that there likely multiple motivations behind it it is sad that it is taking something as horrific as this to bring awareness to many about ongoing racism targeting Asians. Most of these attacks since the start of the pandemic have been against women and the elderly.

 

I hear you bro, I don't go out because I'm lazy and I gotta play my video games and watch my streaming services, lol.

 

And thus why a waiting period reduce crimes via guns