Shams - Philly offered Simmons/Thybulle + draft compensation. Did we make the right deal?

If the most value is down the line why will the Nets winning the championship this year make the deal a bit worse? Thats precisely why Nets winning a championship this year doesnt affect the deal.

Regardless whether Nets win a ring this year or not they are a lock to make the playoffs which means that swap wont be used. Making the playoffs and winning a ring or making the playoffs and not winning a ring, either outcome doesnt affect the Rockets-Nets deal.

 

Him being a good defensive player doesn't take away from the fact he's unplayable in crucial moments of playoff games. The guy's jumpshot is as atrocious as your stupid basketball takes. You're very similar

 

You think Wall complicates things... just imagine if we were stuck with Westbrook and one less first round pick instead.

 

LOL

Your pride and agenda keeps blinding you to the truth, even when confronted by sources with much more substance than you.

Flat earther amirite?

 

Touche.... but Wall was already on the team in the context of this thread.

 

Of course it does.... it makes it more likely Harden resigns with them and being good for longer..... It would potentially mean we have less shots at high draft picks via the trade.

 

Harden will only be a free agent after next season lol what are you talking about? Regardless whether they win a ring this year or not he will stay until next season is done.

 

Yes you are missing the forest through the trees.... It’s really simple.... Are the picks going to be better or worse if the Nets are good for the next several years.

 

How do you know they will be good? Those picks are so far away. All these soo called super teams only lasted 3 to 4 years.

Miami 4 years.
GSW 3 Years with KD.
Cavs lasted 3 years with Kyrie and Love.

you just never know how it's gonna shake out. I personally don't think the Nets will be good at all in 2027.Eventually egos get in the way and jealousy. Only one person can win finals MVP.

 

Nah you are the one who said Nets winning a ring THIS year gonna impact the nets package. Simple thing is it wont. Regardless whether Nets win or lose a ring it wont impact the Nets package. The only thing that will impact it is if they miss the playoffs otherwise it wont make an impact cuz everyone knows they a lock to make the playoffs at least.

Next year results is what will determine whether Harden stays and not this year. They can win a ring this year but if they fight next year then Harden is gone simple as that. Even if he stays its a 7 year deal for a reason.

 

And I stand by the statement and the general notion that the longer the Nets are good (aka win the championship this year)..... the worse the package will potentially be.

The Nets winning a championship this season AND/OR next season will most likely tie Harden to the the Nets. I'm not really sure how you can argue the Nets winning THIS year is good for the package.

I'm not really sure how you can argue the Nets being good and continuing to be good is advantageous for the package because it's not.

 

Because it lowers the chances at a bite at the apple in the near to mid term. We have picks from 2021 to 2027.... lots of years in between.

If Harden finishes his career as a Net, would you bet that the Nets were good or bad for the rest of Harden's career? This is about likelihoods.

 

I think their is a higher chance of him finishing his career in Houston than on the Nets.

 

All depends. If the Nets have great success, why not play out your career in NYC with its world class nightlife (we know Harden loves to party).... I could see Houston the city being a place where Harden "retires" to.

I just learn more towards the greater the Nets success early on, the greater they'll be over a stretch of time. It would suck if Harden/KD (in their twilight years) gets paired up with a Devin Booker when he turns 27 (in 2024ish).

 

He is now an overrated defender.

Phila defense is in fact better with him off the floor.

 

I've always been on the Ben Simmons bandwagon, but with Victor's return to All Star form.....

It guarantees a bunch on top of all those picks AND SWAPS. (Especially the last two)

As much as I like Ben, we made the right call.
Timeframe and haul.

 

I dunno with KD coming off major surgery and constantly being in and out of the lineup. He will be pushing 35 years old in 2024. If the Rockets play their cards right we should have a very good team for Harden to comeback to by then. And we would still have a ton of picks to acquire another star.
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The reasons I'm hopeful is that he has a lot of businesses here in Houston. I can't imagine those thing succeeding unless he comesback and retires a Rocket.

 

So you are moving goal posts now?

Your posts make zero sense you stand by a goal post you just moved lmao. Winning a championship this year does not mean they will continue to be good a long time. You realize THIS YEAR and LONG TIME are different time periods right???? It makes as much as you saying the Nets package is value over 7 YEARS but a championship THIS YEAR gonna hurt the nets package. Are you living in some sort of time singularity where time and years have no meaning?

I never said Nets winning the championship this year is good for the package, I said it has no effect. The year that matters is NEXT YEAR ONLY and not THIS YEAR. If they win a championship NEXT YEAR then Harden will stay almost guaranteed. If not then higher chance he will leave.

Being good now doesnt mean they will continue to be good the next 7 years as they are all over 30 already and starting to break down. Tbh Harden, KD and Irving signing a Cp3 style contract would be good for the Nets package as they would be 33 and 34 at that time. Even Lebron is losing the battle to Father time at age 36 what more these guys.

 

Nope, merely clarifying my position.

For brevity, I contend that the Nets winning it all this year will negatively affect the trade package while you contend it will have no effect on the package. To the bolded, Lebron got paired up with AD in his twilight prime years which would be a worst case scenario if in 2024 Harden and/or Durant get paired up with a Luka/Zion/whoever is a young, legit, superstar.

Seems like we are going to have to agree to disagree though.

 

Winning it all in 2021 wont affect 2024 free agency lol wtf thats 3 years away.

Just to clarify Rox almost defeated GSW in 2018 but Harden demanded a trade in 2021. Lebron won a ring in Cleveland in 2016 and walked away to Lakers in 2018. People make decisions based on future prospects and immeduate past results, and not past results 3 yrs ago.