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Can Steph carry his own team thread.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jiggyfly, Dec 22, 2020.

  1. Loneyroy7

    Loneyroy7 Member

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    Sounds like you haven't watched James Harden make big men significantly more effective and productive over and over and over again.

    It also sounds like you haven't watched the Nets this year. DeAndre Jordan has been revived from the dead. Nicolas Claxton is all of a sudden a force at center. Oh, and Kyrie is having his best and most efficient season by far too. Harden has that impact on wing scorers as well.

    He just makes the players around him better. It's tough you can't seem to grasp the obvious truth right in front of your eyes. Curry can't TOUCH Harden as a playmaker. Never has and never will.
     
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    I have seen a couple of remarks that shows Curry's frustration

    Rocket River
     
  3. wekko368

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    Sure I have. And when he's done so, he's always had above average shooters around him to create spacing.

    Also, please explain how Harden will prevent Wiseman from making rookie mistakes (i.e. early foul trouble).

    Yes, the pick and roll is lethal when you're surrounded by good shooters to create spacing.

    Are you aware that the Nets were shooting great before Harden joined them?
     
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  5. Loneyroy7

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    Yo this guy seriously just said Harden has ALWAYS had good shooters around him. LOOOLLLL.

    Holy sh*t. I'm out. I can only deal with so much low basketball IQ.
     
  6. wekko368

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    When did Harden make big men more effective and productive and NOT have above average shooters around him? Can specify the years?

    You know I'm right. That's why you're running.
     
  7. Loneyroy7

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    You literally have one of the lowest basketball IQs I've ever encountered. If I'm leaving the conversation it's because it's pointless having a debate with someone who clearly doesn't understand the game.

    Harden haas never played on an elite shooting team until THIS year. Now go back to your fantasy world where Curry is twice the player that he is in reality.
     
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  8. wekko368

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    Do you understand the difference between "above average" and "elite"? If so, do you also understand the difference between "above average shooters" (like what Harden had with the Rockets) and "below average shooters" (like what Curry currently has with the Warriors)?

    Like it or not, based on how you framed your argument, I'm right.
     
  9. BallaDoc

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    Lol Harden in his first year with us took a team of

    Beverley/Lin
    Garcia
    Parsons
    Thrones/Delfino
    Asik

    to the playoffs against KD and Westbrook. Please tell me how that is a better supporting cast then what Curry has currently?

    he then got the 3 seed with a roster of

    Beverley/Williams
    Gordon
    Ariza
    Anderson
    Capela

    Curry has for comparisons sake Oubre, Wiggins, Bazemore, Draymond, Looney and wiseman. The Curry stans crack me up.
     
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  10. Loneyroy7

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    You have stated multiple times that Curry is a better playmaker than James Harden. That is a take that will be laughed at endlessly by anyone with even a MODICUM of basketball IQ.

    You will never be right. You will be always be wrong by that alone.
     
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  11. wekko368

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    It's not. In a vacuum, Curry has a better supporting cast. But as a whole, teams are much stronger now than they were back then. That's to be expected when the salary cap has almost doubled in that time.

    Seriously? Absent having star power, that's an ideal supporting cast for Harden. It's a roster full of shooters with a few plus defenders.

    The Warriors supporting players may be more talented individually, but it's a team game, and playing as a team, they're really not that good.

    Also......Looney? Seriously? I'll never understand the love you people have for Looney. He's averaging 4 points and 4 rebounds per game this year. And as underwhelming as Looney is, didn't he take the starting job from Wiseman?
     
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    You're aware that Curry was the engine for multiple championship teams, right? Before you laugh endlessly, you should consider the implications of that fact.
     
  13. Loneyroy7

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    Curry winning titles on stacked and seamlessly constructed rosters is not a reflection of his playmaking abilities unfortunately. In fact, it's actually the exact opposite.

    The Warriors started thriving when Kerr instituted his motion offense and took the ball out of Curry hands. They started dominating when the playmaking duties were relegated to someone else. Curry's a great off-ball player, only someone dumb would deny that. What he isn't, is someone you can just hand the ball to and tell him to make a play for his teammates. He's never been that.

    Peace.
     
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    Don't kid yourself. The Warriors' offense was built around Curry.
     
  15. Loneyroy7

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    Once again...

    The Warriors started thriving when Kerr instituted his motion offense and took the ball out of Curry's hands. They started dominating when the playmaking duties were relegated to someone else. Curry's a great off-ball player, only someone dumb would deny that. What he isn't, is someone you can just hand the ball to and tell him to make a play for his teammates. He's never been that.

    It is what is.
     
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  16. wekko368

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    Once again. The Warriors' offense was built around Curry.
     
  17. Loneyroy7

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    LOL.

    Yep, this one's done.
     
  18. riko

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    Are we still arguing that Curry is better then the best playmaker currently in the NBA in Harden . This argument would have had actual legs of Curry was actually in the same hall park as Harden to begin with.
     
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    Give it up... no one is buying what you are selling.. every thing you have claimed has been beaten down and exposed... being persistent doesn’t make you right.
     
  20. steddinotayto

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    While there's a bit of Harden homerism (if that's even a thing considering he's no longer a rocket) going on here the fellating of Curry's member on this last page is obscene.
     

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