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Coach Silas: The Real Test Starts Now

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocket River, Mar 13, 2021.

  1. TimDuncanDonaut

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    As far as adjustments, since there's a bit of denial plausibility (with the Tanking), maybe it gives the license to try stuff that a coach normally wouldn't.

    Was listening to a podcast (from the Puerto Rican side); accounting the 2004 Summer Olympics. How the Carlos Arroyo led team beat the mighty U.S. Team. It was led by prime Dunan, Iverson, Mauburry, and Wade. Coached by Pops.

    Like the other olympics, U.S. men normally blows out every team. Puerto Rico was like: well since they're so heavily favored, why not try stuff that we haven't done; "what do we have to lose". They opted the triangle-and-two frustrate two best players on the other team. To see if the U.S. men had the 3pt shooting to counter. It got them the cushioned lead, and ended up winning with 19 points. Puerto Rico got the gold metal.

    Agree with the opening post. And if this is a losing season, maybe pull some nick nurse and just try stuff. Shed the stuff that don't work, and keep the stuff that do. Throw out the occasional weird stuff that opponent teams aren't used to.
     
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  2. SamFisher

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    Great thread. He's had it too easy for too long.
     
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  3. hou$tonScrew$tonTX

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    I agree with your take man. This moron who started this thread is wanting to judge harshly a coach who essentially has majority D-leaguers in the entirety of the lineup. Can you imagine having a bunch of talentless scrubs going against the best in the world every night (in any field of your choosing)? I feel bad for Silas because it’s his first year coaching. Can you imagine getting your dream job and then everything changes completely after you get there? Silas himself must feel betrayed by the players (fat Harden lies that he would be there), the GM (fat Morey retired for personal reasons then magically re-signed in a better situation), and the owner (shady, over leveraged fake millionaire Fertitta lied about everything Silas was walking into, probably told Silas he was “all about winning” and not just LTS). Silas deserves better than this. The poor b*stard didn’t know what he was walking into. This is his “welcome to the NBA moment”. The NBA: where big markets in East and West coast get BS preferential treatment. Harden is now a clear-cut MVP candidate even though he’s playing with 2 real alphas in their prime now? F*** the NBA. I’ve been a fan of this garbage since 1994 when I was 7 years old. I used to love it and bleed rockets red, but my heart has been ripped out for the last time. Alas, I cannot endure the pain any longer. Best of luck to you remaining faithful through thick and thin. You’re better fans than I could ever be because I am not emotionally strong enough. I hope the city of Houston gets to experience another NBA championship one day. #ClutchCity #DoubleClutch #Dream
     
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  4. Rocket River

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    Moron?
    Did you even read what was written?

    Rocket River
    Of course you did not.
     
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  5. hou$tonScrew$tonTX

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    I read it all quite easily. You’re not exactly Shakespeare man. Your elementary writing is easy enough to read. Your standards for Silas are too high and premature given the current context.
    In any case, I know you’re a big time fan and I respect that. Best of luck man. I’m sorry if my passionate take upset you bro
     
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  6. Rocket River

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    So. Reigning n Wall, better player management and running more designed plays
    Is too high a standard?????

    Wall taking 25+ shots a night is ridiculous
    Esp with KPJ coming up
    Wood coming back

    Dipo throwing up 20+ shots

    once the trade deadline js done
    I have expectations that the Rockets settle in
    I aint even talking about winning
    I said as much
    I am talking about not looking like f*cking chickens with their heads cut off

    amazing how the "standard" is just show up now
    with your uniform on the right way.

    Rocket River
     
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  7. Plowman

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    First off that division of the season in by Andrew is extremely telling as it relates to Silas's situation.

    He is doing what needs to be done.


    Attempting to let teams see players that will be dealt
    Dealing with crucial injuries
    Tanking
    Developing young players

    Seemingly juxtaposing agendas, eh?

    Make no mistake, he is the right guy for the job over the long haul.

    After the deadline some things will become clearer, but we're still gunning for that top 4 pick and we'll get it.

    Silas knows how to coach/manage personnel.....

    Don't get fooled by all the dynamics at play right now.
     
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    Classic bait and switch move pulled on Silas.

    Now if he sucks after we clean house and get settled in with a squad to build towards the future - I’ll be the first one hollering to put him on the hot seat!

    this season is a wash and I’m not judging him on it.
     
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    • The Rockets will use their 24th starting lineup in 37 games Sunday, Feigen adds. The injuries and lack of continuity have played a large role in the team’s 15-game losing streak. “The sooner we can get to the point we know what our starting lineup is going to be, what our rotation is going to be off the bench, the better it will be for the group,” Silas said. “Obviously, it hasn’t been like that all season.”
    https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/03/rockets-notes-porter-nwaba-tucker-silas.html

    This pretty much sums up what has plagued Houston most of the season. I agree with Silas and also believe nothing much is going to change until this is corrected.
     
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  10. D-rock

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    Lot of words but all I see is Silas doing jack.

    For someone who talked dismissively about iso heavy offense and predictable/limited switch everything defense, these are the systems he mostly relies on now.

    Why not get crazy with game plans now? He has nothing to lose, Rockets are already getting embarrassed every night with double digit blowout losses in the last 15 games, and counting. Being the worst offense in NBA and bottom 5 defense, the only other direction you can go is up.

    NOW is the time for Silas to show us his creativity on offense.

    Tanking or not, be more experimental and show us even a LITTLE of what he promised.

    Otherwise all his posturing when he was hired about improving on MDA's system is BS.
     
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  11. Dr of Dunk

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    lol. :D
     
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    Man, some of you guys are funny with all your blaming Silas and your high expectations in our current scenario. How in the hell can he coach a productive offense with this current roster situation? Gotta be realistic with your expectations.

    - Wall shoots so much sometimes because there is no one else who has the skills or confidence to create the shot/play, so the ball ends up back in his hands with the shot clock running down...
    - we don’t even know what 8* guys will be available to play from game to game (*I say only 8 due to all the injuries we are having) and of those 8 half are rookies and backups and g-league call ups. Any build consistency like that.
    - guys are playing out of position due to roster availability each game (makes us undersized)
    - we are still waiting on the front office to make trades to start the rebuild

    Can we hold judgement until next season once we have made trades, drafted the players who we want to build this team with and give coach and off-season to plan and prepare them? I think that would only be fair to him and the team.
     
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    Are you saying you have seen enough of a 2/ year old? No dude, the guy needs playing time. He still has plenty of room for growth and experience.
     
  14. D-rock

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    Our G Leaguers have only played 2 games.

    What is the excuse for the last 13 blowout losses prior to calling up the Vipers?

    Even with Wall + Dipo at 100%, the Rockets have performed embarrassingly.

    Wall and Dipo are 1st and 2nd in shot attempts and make up almost 65% of the offense and that was even with Wood on the court. And Wood was not just the most efficient scorer but he was the only Rocket playing at level of All Star consideration.

    Even with Harden, even with breakout season by Wood, Silas preferred Wall to be the one taking the most shots.

    Rockets offense has been consistently abyssmal.
     
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    It’s a huge shock from just a couple of years ago. Silas basically has a Gleague team. They should shut down Oladipo and Wall so you don’t end up with a useless EG. There is no future right now but KPJr. development and tanking... like Astros. I know it’s new to a lot of us.
    This is the way.
     
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    In 15 minutes a game (now) he will be just fine next season. Grasp of the Silas system. What we can't afford is losing that top 4 protected chance at a future star.

    I have this kid averaging 23 points before his debut, he has posted 20 points per game in the 2 he has played. If this past game is any indication,
    27 pts vs Utah (current number 1 seed in the West) who was not holding players out, and on their court. I may have to adjust my prediction in pts for next year to 26 pts per game. He was just fooling around out there without the benefit of a lob threat in Wood.

    You do understand that about 16 teams will be on "Let's go on vacation" mode......we will be facing many teams playing scrubs. The 30+ points
    he puts up will be false, "vs scrubs" numbers. What do you plan to gain from that? Confidence? He has that.
     
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  17. don grahamleone

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    I wasn't addressing you earlier, but I will now because you're fitting yourself into that mold perfectly. You're being obtuse. You're ignoring the facts of what another man's situation is and judging him on it. If you're not being obtuse, I don't know what obtuse means. Please quit ignoring the facts out there about this situation if you're going to comment. At least address the truth of Silas' situation before condemning him. It's bad and it is not one person's fault. It just sucks and we're doing what we should to bounce back... which is to lose and lose often, showcase tradeable talent, compete for moments during the game, but ignore outcomes and focus on the players that will stick around for the long haul.

    He's still the right man for the job despite all your harsh feelings about winning now with the crap we've got. Your imagination works well for player acquisition and how we might play, but your imagination about what is going on right now is failing you. No one is expecting one game turnarounds in the organization, but you sound like that's what you expect. That in itself is obtuse.
     
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    Are Wall + Dipo at 100%?. We know for a fact Dipo is not. If you are the vet Gs on a team with rooks and young two way players you will end up taking most of the shots in a situation where there is not much chemistry built on the team.

    Do you think wood is ready to take over the offense? And I mean that in the sense of him having that mentality and commanding the ball every trip down? Cause I don’t believe he is there yet. And don’t say Silas should be demanding they give it to him every time down, that’s not how bball works, he is not a vet all star player at this point in his career, but I hope he can get there for us.

    I don’t know if Silas ‘preferred’ Wall to take the most shots, I think the situation is like I stated before. Who else has the ability to create the shots right now? And like it or not, Wall is the vet I’m sure these young guys look up to, he is the leader right now.
     
  19. don grahamleone

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    Don't quit on us. Houston has way too many fair weather fans. We just have to find different things to cheer for for a little while. Porter is fun to watch. The game threads are pretty funny. There's still things to hold on to.
     
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    I do not expect 1 game turnarounds, far from it.

    I understand that Silas has had things occur on his watch that are beyond his control. I do not fault him for Harden trade. I do not fault him for Wood's injury. I do not fault him for Wall and Dipo being unable to play back to backs. I do not fault him for Tucker wanting to be elsewhere.

    But Silas can and has control over other things.

    Implementation and improvement of his offense/defense, in game adjustments, countering opposing team adjustments, rotation management, sitting players who are inefficient/unproductive, effective ATO sets, recognizing when to use challenges, maximizing personnel.

    I expect the offense to be what Silas promised, less iso and more ball/player movement.

    I expect Silas and the Rockets organization to continue using analytics to their advantage.

    I expect NOT to be the worst offense in the NBA.

    I expect some improvement in the offense as the season progresses because it would be an indication that Silas basic principles of his system are being instilled on the team with even a modicum of success.

    Wall and Dipo are doing the opposite of what Silas promised. They have gone to almost 70% iso on their possessions, and becoming increasingly less efficient.

    The team win-loss record is not the reason why I have been critical, it is the way the team loses.

    I am critical because Silas has had leads in at least 3 of the blowouts but fails to counter when opposing team adjusts, 3rd quarter meltdowns are clear indication of poor half time adjustments.

    I am critical not because of the insane amount of starting line up combinations but because of mismanagement of rotations, whereby a unit that is playing well is pulled because of his cloying deference to his vets.

    I am critical because Silas has no rhyme or reason to his challenges. Whoever is advising Silas on when to use challenges needs to be terminated or at minimum get a new prescription for his glasses.

    All of above is especially concerning when Wall and Dipo are 100% and continue to be focus of an offense that is undeniably the worst in the NBA.

    So in conclusion, go ahead and tank if the FO has decided that this is the only way to become competitive again.

    But HOW we tank is completely under Silas' control.

    Letting the same players shoot us out of games over and over again, blaming "effort" on our blowout losses but fails to offer any real basketball solutions, setting players up for failure by empowering them to do things they are inefficient at, choosing leaders that are selfish and are poor fits in his system, not maximizing the most efficient offensive player.
     
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