Shams - Philly offered Simmons/Thybulle + draft compensation. Did we make the right deal?

The argument against the Sixers package has never been that Simmons was overrated. No. The argument against him is that he'd keep you just competitive enough to be shooting for the playoffs the next 4 years, while having zero potential for a championship as the lead dog. And while we are in constant 4-9 seed limbo, we will never get another opportunity to vie for a prospect with actual top 5, top 10 potential. Ben Simmons right now is a top 20-25 player. And without a jump shot, it doesn't matter how good his defense and court vision are. In a playoff scenario, he will be laughably played off of, and it will be a huge liability for any team he plays on.

 

yeah, the only question is if you’d rather have BK’s picks, or whatever u think Simmons could’ve fetched if he was routed to another team...actually keeping Simmons and wasting time competing for nothing with him would’ve just been a waste of the next couple of years

 

Simmons is younger than Wood.

Are we wasting Wood too?

 

That's a bit much... All the arguments with you people are the same.... "Simmons will be the last player we ever acquire and can never can be a lead dog so we will be in mediocrity until the end of time...."

 

Lol this is such a bad take lol..y8lule see. Explain to me.why he aint giannis btw. What does one do that the other doesn't.

 

Lol bro those picks so far out, I don't have much hope in them. U talking 4 5 years out.

 

Wood won’t be a part of the next really good Rockets team...he’s a very good placeholder

core is KPJr and whoever we draft if we keep our pick, and then continue building from there

 

I hope you are wrong brother.

 

Score. I like Simmons, but he's a different kind of cat. I think he can be a cornerstone that isn't a first or second scoring option, but it requires the right type of team.

 

U mean like how giannis has the right type of team around him....lmao. FYI I said that 5 posts ago u actually proving my point. With 4 showers around him(like giannis) you would get the same results

 

I voted for the Philly day, but now disagree with my vote for two reasons. First, later returns basically said the Sixers package was two protected FRPs. Obviously way less draft capital. And second, we probably don't land KPJ if we traded for Simmons.

 

Watched the Spurs game Simmons is a terrifying defensive player with incredible court vision

 

If there had been room improve the draft picks and extras, I would have preferred the Simmons deal. Despite his faults, the return that the Rockets could have gotten for flipping him down the road would have been greater than the current situation with Oladipo, IMO.

That said, I keep reading that Oladipo is the biggest name this trade deadline. So, cross my fingers.

 

With a still competitive Rockets team with Simmons at the max/eventual supermax, you tell me how else we're getting a top 5-10 player.

Draft? We will never be drafting in a position to get a blue chipper.

Free agency? Tell me the last time a top 5-10 player was successfully recruited to join a team led by a guy in the 15-25 range. Carmelo was the last superstar to move in free agency to a trash team, and he did that mostly for NYC and Lala. And it failed spectacularly.

Trade? When we're talking about top 5-10 caliber players in the league, they decide what teams they go to. If a superstar wouldn't join your team in free agency, he's not gonna be happy about a trade to that team. The last time a superstar was traded somewhere he didn't want to go, we got Butler calling his teammates out and trying to injure them in practices in Minnesota.

To me, envisioning Simmons as his own trade asset is not a fun prospect, because you're just delaying the process another 2+ years of looking for a team that will mortgage its future for the present. Brooklyn did it for Harden, but I'm not sure another team is out there that would do it for Simmons. That's why he was available, and not say Jaylen Brown who is clearly a better player than him.

You can run through all the scenarios with your rose-colored goggles on what a Ben Simmons-sans-Embiid team would look like in the playoffs in the West. Just like Westbrook, without a jump shot, Simmons will never be a top 5-10 player. And in this NBA, the top 5-10 player is the market maker. He moves mountains, he crowns kings, he picks coaches, and he dictates media narratives. Without one of them, you aren't winning a title, period.

And if these Rockets aren't in the business of aiming for a championship, then what the hell are we doing anyways.

 

Giannis has actually improved on his shot. He's not good, but he'll atleast shoot open shots. Simmons is so deplorable he won't even attempt them. That's the difference. You're so caught up in his athleticism you'll ignore how horrific he is outside of 2ft. It's embarrassing for a guy 3yrs in and no shot whatsoever smh

 

We'll be watching

 

Doesn't matter how many showers Simmons takes, he's not the same type of player as Giannis. Bucks need to get a legit number one scoring option and Simmons needs to play alongside one too.

 

Why top 10? Why not top 15? Why not top 20? Why not 3 top 20 players? Why not 3 top 25 players? What if Simmons becomes a top 10 player?

Why not this...... why not that...... you've already convinced yourself there's no way it work.

 

wait what would of stop u from getting kpj still

 

2 mvps later...mean while u think olidapo is better lmao