Ignorant reply. He's been surrounded by above-average shooters for almost his entire Rocket career. League average 3pt% is ~35%, right? Let's look at his teammates who surpassed that while having at least 3 attempts per game and playing at least 15 mpg: 2013: Parsons (38.5%; 5.2 3PA), Delfino (37.5%; 6.3 3PA), Marcus Morris (38.1%; 3.6 3PA). 2014: Parsons (37%; 4.7 3PA), Beverley (36.1%; 4.6 3PA), Jeremy Lin (35.8%; 3.2 3PA), Francisco Garcia (35.8%; 3.5 3PA). 2015: Jason Terry (39%; 4.2 3PA), Motiejunas (36.8%; 1.9 3PA), Beverley (35.6; 5.8 3PA), Ariza (35%; 6.8 3PA). You get the point, right? Again, that was an ignorant reply.
Above average LOL. They are right at average for the most part and you included people who shot it less 4 shots a game and played limited minutes. Most of these guys were bench guys as well, how is that surrounded by? Only 4 of those guys played starters minutes and most of them shot less than 4 a game. Some of your numbers are wonky as well Marcus Morris averaged one 3 per game yet you say he is an above average 3 point shooter? D MO only had 2 attempts per game which means he had a slew of games where he never shot a 3 and somehow he is a above average 3 point shooter? This was a nice manipulation of the data but at best you can say he had average 3 point shooters about the same as Curry and he did much better with those guys.
Yet another ignorant reply. How about you look at the stats before posting? Who played "limited minutes"? Delfino averaged 25 mpg. Marcus Morris 21. Francisco Garcia? 20. Jason Terry? 21. Also, you're aware that Harden played 38 mpg for us back then, right? That means there was plenty of on-court shared time between these bench guys and Harden. That's how he was "surrounded by". "Right at average"? Did you even follow the Rockets back then? Those were Harden's early years, and the focus was acquiring 3/D guys to compensate for Harden's defensive shortcomings. It takes time to build a team around a specific player. Nevertheless, it seemed like every year, the shooting improved, especially when we added Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson. Motiejunas played 71 games in 2015. He failed to attempt a 3 pointer in 10 of them, but what does that matter? He also had 9 games of 4+ attempts. None of that changes the fact that he shot almost 37% from the 3pt line. You really do have a child's understanding of the game, don't you? Frankly, you should be grateful that I'm willing to spend so much time educating someone as ignorant as yourself. If 35% is average, and 40% is great, then you need to understand that ~37.5% is clearly above average. All these objections you have.....why don't you apply them to the Warriors this year and see who you're left with? Actually, we both know you don't bother looking at stats so I'll do it for you. You'd be left with Damion Lee (37.7%; 3.7 3PA) and Andrew Wiggins (35.1%; 5 3PA). And who knows if you even want to include Lee since he averages 19.2 mpg....
Wow so we have gone to name calling now? D Mo shot 1 3 a game and yet you want to claim he was an above average 3 point shooter. The point remains even if you want to use all of these guys I will concede they are about the same yet Harden took the same type of guys to 50 wins and the WCF and Curry has his team in 9th place. Educate me on that.
If you're being ignorant, is it really "name calling" to correctly identify it? You're rounding 1.9 attempts down to 1? Seriously? That's pathetic. And yes. I claim that he was an above average 3pt shooter because his 36.8% is an above average percentage. Shocking how that logic flows, isn't it? It's impossible to educate the willfully ignorant. For instance, it seems like you "forgot" about the Rockets/Clippers game 6. You've also failed to consider factors such as the relative strength of other teams, the fact that 2015 Harden was his 3rd year with us (which means that Morey had 2+ years to build around Harden while effectively, this is Curry's 1st year with this new-look Warriors team), and the age difference between Rocket Harden and current Curry.
I'm pathetic for rounding 1.9 down to 1? Your pathetic that you think it even matters. None of this even matters because I concede they probably had about the same level of shooters but he did more with the corpse of J Terry than what Curry is currently doing. Anyway I have had my fun with you and have reduced you to name calling. My job is done here.
The last part of your statement is the problem... Kerr's system. Kerr deservedly gets a lot of credit for designing/implementing his philosophy/system of ball movement and sharing. That system led to 3 championship and 5 finals appearances. But it isn't without faults. Kd bristled at the system and rightly or wrongly criticized it's effectiveness in the playoffs. Another major component of Kerr's system is that it requires multiple capable/smart passers playmakers as well as a secondary elite shooting threat to really work. Klay with Steph and dray, iggy, livingston, barnes, bogut, barbosa isn't a historical collection of offensive talent. Yet they were the best offense in the nba and we're 140-24 over two years. Add in KD and surprisingly the offense was only slightly better. Why? Kerr's system relies on the synergy of smart players, moving, cutting and screening at the right spot and time. It's not as reliant on individual talent as an offense based on isolation or 1 and 5 pick and rolls, since the ball (thus the offense) is often in the hands of not KD/Curry). This worked great in 14-16 but perhaps limited their ceiling afterwards (perhaps also reg season vs playoffs). Remove KD, Klay, as well as iggy, bogut and the other smart veterans of Kerr's system, and the system just doesn't work all that well. Aside from Curry, the warriors are often playing lineups with 2 or 3+ non shooters on the floor. Against good defensive teams or switch everything teams or box n1 teams Kerr's system of screening and cuts leads to nothing as those defenses can account for the only threat on and offball that is Curry. Furthermore kerr emphasizes sharing the ball and doesn't like the most effective play in the league today... The pnr... Thus while the warriors/curry are elite in points from pnr when they runs it they are last or among the bottom in teams running the pnr. Lastly while curry is putting up really good numbers, he's effectiveness and impact is hindered by not having the ball enough. its common for him to not handle the ball for long stretches. These possessions and they are the vast majority rely on draymond, wiggins, oubre, looney, toscano, etc to either score, assist or make a play. That's not likely to result in an effective offense. Steph is still great but he's a bit off his prime imo. Could he play more like his pre kd self with more pnr and iso? Would kerr bend his system and philosophy? They may have to if they want to be better than average or worst on offense. The effectiveness of curry offball screen and kerr system is limited not only by talent but by the league catching up.
I can't really fathom the wisdom of comparing 2 totally different players. 1st player thrives on isolation making plays on his own. 2nd player thrives on ball sharing and shooting through screens. Depending on the type of systems being run by the team, both players can carry each of their respective teams. While both players may also thrive when their systems are switched, it's a lot different when you're using the system you're used to already. The only thing I can say is that whoever got the championship almost always got the last say in an argument especially when comparing transcendental players.
It can be argued that running Kerr's system and getting the new players use to it will ultimately lead to future success next season when Klay returns, but it's inarguable that the system is currently a drag on the warriors offense. Curry pnr is scoring at 1.17 per poss. That number leads the league by a significant margin (only person close is SGA) among players who run 5 pnr per game or more and has played 23+ games. Yet he barely runs 7 pnr per game... about half of what Luka, Trey, Dame runs. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler/#!?sort=PPP&dir=1&SeasonType=Regular Season&CF=POSS*G*6:GP*G*23 Curry's iso results in a PPP of 1.08 per iso, yet averages only 1.5 per game. Dame is at 1.12 and nearly 5 a game. Curry only averages 5.6 minute of time of poss with the ball which is ranked 30th in the NBA. The next 3 warriors to control the ball/offense is Draymond 2.9, Wigggins, 2.3, Wannamaker 2,2 . Two out of those three are avging mid-high 30% fg and low-mid 20% 3 point shooting. Edit: Warriors are 5th in the NBA at PPP on PNR. Yet are last in the league in the frequency in which they run it. https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/ball-handler/?sort=PPP&dir=1 For a team that is below average on offense, it makes little sense, that one of the plays they are elite at is also the play the run least frequently.
The comparison is simple, you just want to complicate it. Its comical that you say whoever got the championship got the last say and have no issue with them having 2 totally different teams with different talent levels. But for some reason we can't compare the teams success because of playing style? Really?
Yes, of course it matters, and yes, that makes you pathetic. Not just as a poster, but as a person. You may disagree with my opinions, but when I'm wrong about something, I own it and move on. I don't double down on my wrongness. Where's your integrity? Again, ignorance. They didn't have the same level of shooters. Harden's teammates were clearly better 3pt shooters. It's pathetic that you can't admit this fact. So you're wrong again. Isn't it weird that all your wrong takes go in Harden's favor? And after leaving Houston, a 39 year old Jason Terry went to Milwaukee, played 74 games, and shot 42.7% from the 3pt line. So I don't know what point you were trying to make by bringing up Terry, but unsurprisingly, you failed to make it.
after leaving Houston Terry averaged 3 shots a game not three 3 point shots but 3 shots a game. He shot 42% on 2.3 three point shots a game. Like I said the corpse of Jason Terry. Talk about ignorant. And this is the guy who was houston's top 3 point threat. Harden took a team with Terry as the top reserve to the WCF. Lets see Curry take this team out of the 1st round.
He averaged 2.3 3PA. Using your backwards math, why don't you round that up to 3? Rounding 42.7% to 42%. Truly pathetic. Rockets/Clippers game 6 proves that it was a team effort. Also, in 2015, Harden was 25 years old. Curry is currently 32 years old. Your critical thinking is worse than your math.
I mean, not to say you are wrong but whos to say Curry even maintains that level of efficiency for Iso and Pick and Rolls at higher levels.
Bro, you are still in here saying Green and Klay wouldn't be stars if not for Curry. Cmon now. WTF LOL
Of course its possible his efficiency could drop, but the numbers he is currently putting up is in line with how he has perform since 2015.
You said it. Different players, different playing styles. Now you're asking me why it's so complicated??? Really??? Would you be able to swap them so they can play different playing styles? If it's so simple, why can't you do it?
