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[Federalist] Big Tech Thinks You’re An Idiot Child Who Can’t Govern Yourself

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    "Big Tech Thinks You’re An Idiot Child Who Can’t Govern Yourself":

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/08/big-tech-thinks-youre-an-idiot-child-who-cant-govern-yourself/

    Last week, YouTube removed videos of former President Donald Trump’s speech at the recent Conservative Political Action Conference, citing violations of its rules about “misleading election claims” under its “presidential election integrity” policy.

    Also last week, Ebay blocked all sales and purchases of the half-dozen Dr. Seuss books recently deemed unfit for children because they allegedly “portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong.” Amazon blocked access to a documentary about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

    Twitter suspended the account of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. Facebook continued its purge of QAnon-linked accounts, which began back in October. And the cable network TCM announced a program to reframe classic films like “Breakfast at Tiffany’s,” “The Searchers,” and “My Fair Lady,” which it considers “problematic” and “troubling.”

    That was just last week. The growing movement on the left to censor, purge, block, and suspend anyone who expresses disfavored views, or any book or film that some might consider offensive, isn’t just an attack on conservatives or a quixotic war on the past. It represents the single greatest wholesale rejection of liberal democracy, civil society, and the ideal of self-government in American history.

    Simply put, the people who will not allow Trump’s CPAC speech to be searchable on YouTube do not think you can think through things and make your own decisions, let alone participate in democratic governance. To them, you are only slightly more intelligent than an animal, and ought to be treated as such.

    The reason it matters—and the reason this illiberal, censorious impulse can’t just be laughed off—is that the institutions and industries behind all this are incredibly powerful. They control what you watch, read, discuss, and share—even with your own children.

    Disney Plus, for example, pulled a bunch of classic titles from its children’s programming back in January for “negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures.” The banned films include “Lady and the Tramp,” “Peter Pan,” “The Jungle Book,” and “Dumbo.” The titles are still available, with a disclaimer, on the main streaming service, but the writing is on the wall: if you want your kids to enjoy the originals, better buy the DVD now.

    Let’s be clear about something: this isn’t about ferreting out “offensive” content or ideas, or making society more tolerant and inclusive. After all, whether or not something is offensive is relative. This is about taking away your agency, your ability to make choices and decide for yourself what you think, whether it’s about Dr. Suess or a presidential election.

    Why else would Amazon pull down a well-reviewed and by all accounts fair and sober book about transgenderism, as they did last week to Ryan T. Anderson’s 2018 book, “When Harry Became Sally”? It’s not because the book is offensive to a wide swath of the reading public. It’s because the ideas presented in it—including the now-radical notion that biological sex is immutable and that encouraging children and teens to “transition” causes irreparable harm—challenge the left’s utopian vision for society.

    In other words, it’s not that these ideas are offensive, it’s that they’re in the way. The people who applauded Amazon for taking down Anderson’s book do not want to contend with Anderson’s arguments. It’s much easier for them if a corporate behemoth like Amazon just blots them out, makes them disappear.

    Otherwise, Anderson might actually persuade some people that he’s right, that transgenderism isn’t just morally wrong, it’s also bad for society, and maybe we should rethink our sudden embrace of it. Maybe we should have some honest debate about it and let people make up their own minds.

    The left would like to take those kind of choices away from you, even (especially) for children’s literature. The hypocrisy of the left in this regard knows no bounds.

    CNN’s Jake Tapper, who once championed the publication of controversial images—including cartoons of Mohammed, even though it’s deeply offensive to Muslims—denounced Republicans last week for complaining about the cancellation of Dr. Seuss. Tapper was upset because they keep citing beloved titles like “Green Eggs and Ham,” not the half-dozen books that contain what Tapper calls “empirically racist” images that are “indefensible.”

    He’s wrong about that. This is an argument for another column, but the images in those banned Dr. Seuss books are entirely defensible and, to my mind, not at all racist, empirically or otherwise.

    But of course one need not defend the content of burned books to protest the burning of them. It’s even possible simultaneously to object to the content of a book and the notion that it should be burned for its content. This is a pretty basic tenet of classical liberalism, and Tapper knows it. He’s just being dishonest.

    Everyone, in fact, who champions the banning of books—any books—or films or speeches or whatever, is engaged in a deeply anti-American project to undermine the means by which we form citizens capable of self-government. If you can’t be trusted to think through whether the mention of “Eskimo Fish” in Dr. Suess’s “McElligot’s Pool” is appropriate for your kids, then you certainly can’t be trusted to think through whether the 2020 election was marred by fraud and loose rules for absentee ballots.

    Likewise, you can’t be trusted to make decisions about COVID-19, about whether to get a vaccine or wear a mask, which is why Dr. Anthony Fauci saw fit to lie about mask-wearing to the American people at the onset of the pandemic last year. He doesn’t think you can be trusted with the truth because he thinks you’re an idiot child who needs be governed, not an American citizen who has the natural right to govern himself.

    When I watch Fauci lie, or see Tapper and his peers cheer digital book-burnings, or see example after example of censorship to protect us from supposedly offensive ideas or images, all I can think of is a line from an interview conducted in 1842 with a veteran of the American Revolution. The man was asked why he fought, and he replied, “Young man, what we meant in going for those redcoats was this: we always had governed ourselves, and we always meant to. They didn’t mean we should.”

    John is the Political Editor at The Federalist. Follow him on Twitter.

     
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  2. Ottomaton

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    You should totally start a Parler analog for Amazon. You can totally call it Chattahoochee, or something equally evocative. You can sell lawn jockeys and nazi repro gear and and all kinds of other free thinking stuff. But you definitely have to ban Holden Caulfield, because you have to draw a line at that kind of smut. People might get upset.
     
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  3. Major

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    Free market conservatives think companies shouldn't be allowed to make free market decisions and run their companies as they see fit.
     
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    Bit of an orobouros of circular logic for libertarian cons to complain about big tech's state-like powers.

    It's almost as if they're screaming and yelling inside their big tent of circus freaks so that the cancel ready Bible thumpers can take on the task for getting Big Government to flex it's Big Beastly powers (that libertarians normally advocate weakening) and tear those tech assholes down a peg.

    This doesn't solve the inherent problem that Big Tech is indeed enormous, with valuations the size of a G20 country's GDP. They suffer from power laws that make it hard to regulate or moderate extreme speech at the tail edges, which caused opportunists to leverage their platforms as a way to sow chaos and dissention.

    If 1% of 500 million daily messages are explosive, that might be tolerable to a human being but for a country it might slow or grind the country down to a halt.

    This is very similar to the problems governments deal with speech and their claimed tolerance for speech. America claims they're very tolerant yet a different Western country like Germany makes it a crime to promote Nazism. It's just happening and evolving on a much faster level in those companies.

    The issue ignored is debating how much transparency is required for these algorithms that have enormous powers to divert the traffic of billion+ daily messages.

    People saying those controls aren't needed are likely the Parler crowd who have fire proof skin for being in the same forum as those who wanted to burn down the Reichstag. It became that much of a civil and potentially criminal liability.

    The framing of the issue also needs improving. Algorithms shouldn't be considered the problem, rather it should be yet another on the list of social responsibilities lazy me first Americans will shrug and collectively ignore.

    Make it work and make it better!!
     
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    Big Tech is right about the D&D for sure!!!
     
  6. Phillyrocket

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    After seeing all the Qanon, proud boy, conspiracy theorists come out in full force, Big Tech certainly has a point.
     
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  7. B-Bob

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    Just seems like more of the same cry, over and over.

    "The growing movement on the left [actually of huge chunks of corporate America] to censor, purge, block, and suspend, [actually have terms of service for their privately owned platforms], anyone who expresses disfavored views..." [and that's my personal favorite, the "disfavored views" gloss for verifiable falsehoods or statements promoting violence, as if it was as harmless as rooting for the Jets or wearing white pants in winter. I guess Al Qaeda also has disfavored views that we should allow to flourish.]

    Also, this construction is one of my personal favorites:
    "Let’s be clear about something: this isn’t..." anything but your opinion dressed up as some devastating absolute.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    This dude really wants the entire D&D turned into his pet project of a trivial subject matter.

    Can we at least keep it in one thread? There are signficantly more important issues that are worthy of discussion.
     
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    :D


    "It's so weird -- I can still wear 2, 3, or even 4 masks at once. Bizarre!" said Austin progressive activist Frank Miles as the sun rose and his mask was still firmly in place on his face, exactly as it had been all night. "I don't know what to think about this! Sometimes I just sit around and wait for a notification to pop up on my phone with the latest government advisory on how many masks I should wear, if I should get the vaccine, and whether I should wear pants."

    Progressives across the state, however, began to grow worried that they would now have to start to make their own decisions about their health. What's worse, they would have to take responsibility for their actions when it comes to where they go, whether or not they mask, and whether or not they social distance.

    "If the government doesn't force me to wear a mask, how will I ever make my own decisions about what's best for me and my health? Oh no!" said one woman as she looked outside and saw children playing. "Children! Having fun! I'm staying inside today!"
     
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    That's not how masking works. They prevent transmission more than prevent infection.

    So it's only as effective as everyone wearing one. Let's say masking is 50% effective preventing infection. Two people in the room masked increases their prevention rate to 75% (1-(.5 * .5)). With 3 people, it goes up 87.5% (1- (.5*.5*.5)).

    If one guy says ****-it, you're pretty much rolling the dice on That Guy being infected, so the 3 person group's chances of infection drops down from 87.5% back to 50% or whatever chances That Guy is infected...for everyone. You can fancy this up by throwing in % of locals infected or actual prevention rate of cloth masks, but the principle remains the same.

    The slobs who don't mask in a closed area are only spreading their **** to other people.

    Very similar to vaccinating children for measles or mumps.

    There used to be a day when anti-vaxxers were a fringe liberal thing. Damn that science in politics...
     
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    If not wearing a mask in public during a pandemic is your last bastion of fighting for your freedoms, you probably need to examine your life and think of something to be passionate about.
     
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    What an ignorant take on the issue.
     
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    Conservative humor only works when you make up a absurd strawman of your ideological enemy.
     
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    That's exactly correct. If the humor starts from something off-base, it fails.
     
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