Numbers without context are meaningless. What you're looking for is impact. CP3's OKC team was expected to be a lottery team, and he turned them into a playoff team. Regarding Capela, his scoring this year is the second best of his career, and he's having the best rebounding year of his career. He's also averaging a career high in blocks. He's also playing 4 mpg fewer than he did in 2019.
Why is it a ridiculous argument? The defense blew a switch which resulted in Curry being doubled off-ball, and GSW capitalized on it. If this were a rare occurrence, I'd agree with you, but we both know Curry causes this type of defensive breakdown fairly often. Given that, why wouldn't it qualify as "playmaking"?
CP3 was a hamstring away from a NBA championship and won a record number of games for the rockets. You guys and your moral victories.
Your points are not genuine. Chris Paul didn't make the all star team in 2018 because he missed 15 games to begin the season due to injuries, same as the year after. Chris Paul won the most games and went further in the playoffs with Harden than any other teams he's been on. His advanced numbers were also better in 2018 than in OKC and PHX. Clint Capela is playing as well as he did in Houston, the difference being in Houston he's 4th option on offense behind Harden, CP and Gordon, compared to who he plays with now. He essentially does the same thing. Not even going to entertain Lou and Harrell. A rookie Harrell who was feasting off Harden playing PG. and Lou who played half a season here and was not as effective because his role was redundant with Eric Gordon.
Good point, I thought the bulk of his missed games came after the all star game in 2019. I stand corrected. But his advanced numbers in 2019 were worse than in OKC and PHX. I think he's playing better, especially since he's playing 4 fewer mpg and putting up comparable (or better stats). You want me to name a player who, after leaving the Rockets, clearly had a better year than any of his Rockets years. And who wasn't a young player with the Rockets. And whose role wasn't redundant with anyone on the Rockets. Don't you think your parameters are overly restrictive? How about Carmelo Anthony?
Not gonna take the bait,multiple people have also said the argument is ridiculous as well. Even if we want to call that "playmaking it happens to harden just as much if not more, so again harden is a much better playmaker with the ball in is hands and he does the same kind of playmaking you claim Curry does. So even in your ridiculous argument Harden is a better playmaker. Nuff said!
That's because this is a Rockets site, and Harden fans try to marginalize Curry whenever possible. Not off-ball. Not even remotely close.
If that's not the case, can you explain why defenses constantly blow switches in this manner with regards to Curry?
No one wanted Harden gone. He wanted to leave. Its like a ex who wants to leave. Do you want to go chasing her. Screw her, and F harden.
Incorrect. Essentially every season about 25% of Clutchfans ranted and raved all offseason about needing to trade Harden because of his "playoff failures" of not beating the dynasty Warriors and last year's champion Lakers team. I agree...he definitely wanted out. it was time for him to go. His legacy is forever tarnished by the Westbrook trade and his ugly exit from Houston, no doubt. But for years and years we had "Trade Harden!!!11!!!" and "James FRAUDen" threads made. It will not be forgotten be me over this next decade of virtually pointless Rockets basketball, that is for sure.
They probably post that after playoff loses. They probably don't mean it. Top 5 players are hard to get when you get one you hold on as long as you can.
people like @Air Langhi keep trying to rewrite history the “trade Harden” is from before CP3 even arrived The “James Frauden” thread is from what? 2016? then all the idiots who wanted to trade him long ago for the likes of Paul George, Jimmy Butler, and Lillard all that was long before we ever knew Harden wanted out...all that goes back years
Probably a 7 or 8. You're missing it... Harden is a better playmaker than Curry on ball and that's a pretty clear and strong consensus that the numbers support and that you'd agree with. Now you're arbitrarily largely crediting Curry as a better playmaker than Harden for off ball actions... Off ball playmaking that often times hinges on the ability of another quality playmaker in Draymond Green. The best argument you could make is Steph Curry and Draymond Green on the court combined are better playmakers for an offense than Harden alone and that's a fair argument, BUT this absolutely doesn't equate to Steph being a better playmaker than Harden.
Cp3 wasn't an allstar in Houston because he couldn't stay healthy here. Capela's best numbers here are better than his current ones in ATL. Trezz was great in the minutes he did play with Harden... Although it wasn't a lot. Lou barely played with Harden, but yes he was better after leaving to LA albeit in a larger role than he would've had here.
So if Harden is a 10 on-ball and a 0 off-ball, and Curry is a 7-8 on-ball and a 10 off-ball, why wouldn't Curry be considered a better overall playmaker? I get that you want to credit Draymond Green, but the reality is, he's not the one causing the defensive breakdown.
