Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

But but... trump can't be blamed...

 

Law enforcement officials to break silence about security failures during US Capitol attack
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/23/politics/us-capitol-attack-senate-hearing/index.html

Washington (CNN)Americans could hear for the first time Tuesday why intelligence and operations failed dramatically on January 6 from the very people whose choices contributed to the crisis -- information that will likely help shape the search for new leaders and possibly a new security management structure on Capitol Hill.

The Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs and Senate Rules committees are holding an open hearing during which they will likely grill former US Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund, former House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving, former Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger, and acting US Metropolitan Police Chief Robert Contee about how such a catastrophic failure occurred, and how to prevent it in the future.
Contee has already spoken before lawmakers in a closed-door hearing, but the testimonies of Irving, Stenger, and Sund could be monumental. All three played critical roles in deciding how to prepare for the rally on January 6, and yet, Americans have heard hardly anything from any of them.


6 Capitol Police officers suspended, 29 others being investigated for alleged roles in riot
Sund has spoken sporadically. His loudest statement to date arrived in a letter he sent to congressional leadership detailing the decision-making process leading up to January 6 and his response once the rally turned violent.
Neither Irving nor Stenger have spoken publicly about the insurrection.
In his letter, Sund shifted significant blame to some of those he will testify with Tuesday.
"The entire intelligence community seems to have missed this," he wrote.
According to Sund's letter, he asked Irving and Stenger, who together with the Capitol Architect form the board that oversees the police department, to request the National Guard before the event.
Irving said he "was concerned about the 'optics' and didn't feel the intelligence supported it," Sund wrote. The sergeant for the Senate, Stenger, suggested asking the Guard to be ready in case Sund needed them.
A congressional source says that Contee, Irving and Stenger will all likely appear virtually. Sund is expected to testify in person.
Thursday, acting USCP Chief Yogananda Pittman is scheduled to testify in an open hearing in front of the House Appropriations Committee. That will also mark the first time Pittman takes questions publicly. She previously appeared in a closed-door hearing in which she apologized to lawmakers.


FBI and intel agencies hand over first documents to lawmakers ahead of Capitol attack hearings next week
Her new testimony comes as officials are starting the search for a new USCP chief.
A congressional source told CNN that Congress is moving forward with hiring an outside entity to begin the search.
Several other committees working together have already received briefings and documents from intelligence agencies as part of the numerous probes.
The House Intelligence, Homeland Security, Oversight and Judiciary committees' joint review prompted an initial production of documents last week from FBI, DHS and NCTC, a congressional source told CNN. Additionally, they have received several briefings from the three agencies.
The source said so far the documents have mostly been finished intelligence products that the committee could already access.

 

But but... tucker carlson and senator johnson said the protestors were not armed...

 

Disturbingly he's not alone.. Polling that was brought up on Meet the Press last Sunday showed that 58% of Republicans believe that Jan. 6th was actually carried out by Antifa as a plot to discredit Trump.

 

At this point I don't know if the entire republican voting base has secret meetings to coordinate gaslighting the rest of the world.

 

hell, we got trumpers here that believe that crap. @dachuda86 @Astrodome @Trader_Jorge

heck, who else am I missing.

 

So 58% of 70 million Trump voters is over 45 million Americans who are either really really stupid or completely brainwashed. Now that's disturbing.

 

they not stupid they know exactly what they doing

 

Show me where I said that. If not, STFU

 

fox news promoted the antifa story...


And now fox news is trying to revise the story...

 

They should just call it what it was....Shenanigans

 

That a significant portion of our population continue to live in denial including denial of the actions of those who acted out of the same belief system will greatly hold us back.

This is why I keep on saying it would be a big mistake to just ignore Trump. His supporters aren't and will continue to push false narratives about his presidency and the 2020 elections that will continue to damage our country.

 

Magical thinking is fun for children but it doesn't lead anywhere good, ever, for adults. rj, I fear that "hold us back" might be the best possible outcome. I really hope things don't get a whole lot worse.

 

You haven't earned the benefit of the doubt. You hold a lot of stupid beliefs that are easily debunkable.

 

That's mighty rich coming from you. You are the most pretentious poster on this forum.

 

And that really means nothing to me coming from you.

 

The perpetuation of these alternative realities serves two powerful interests. Fox News preserves their audience niche that generates billions of dollars of revenue and there is no method to stop them from doing so. Opposition politicians like Senator Johnson have no real legislative platform to retain their voting base outside of the propaganda. They will buy in and promote the Fox lies as an election strategy. I think we know the reason it works is that it plays to a large segments confirmation bias they have been fed from the cradle, that the US is exceptional, the white race is exceptional, they are exceptional, and they are not to blame for things that seem wrong, it must be those other people. And the lowest common denominator in politics is Us vs. Them that boils down complexity to orthodoxy, like a 50/50 vote in the Senate on issues that should have some support despite "party'. For them it's existential.

There is no solution, there is only winning elections and now it's popularity vs. gerrymandering and voter suppression. The older, whiter, richer demographic is fading so they will lie cheat and steal out of self-preservation.

 

He didn’t say you were wrong.

DD

 

Not to interject, you are more approachable and cordial than most other Trumpers here, but every single time I've pressed you to denounce something like QAnon, or the election being "stolen" or the Trump party pursuing an autocratic anti-democratic agenda, you just go silent, or deflect. You enter the argument with a right wing talking point, and exit the argument without actually owning up to the right wing reality of what you are standing up for.

When you do that you do lose the benefit of the doubt that you are entering a debate or discussion in an objective manner, and it definitely does little to separate you from QAnon, insurrection, and other anti-democratic stances that the party of Trump now openly is inspired by.