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James Harden's Brooklyn Nets

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jerryclark, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. vator

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    I repeated this here a few times because, to me, it was only logical that if he was so bad, why did his former coach and former GM want him so desperately and were willing to give up so much in order to get him? The two guys who knew him BEST and had seen everything both good and bad up close and personal about him still wanted him. That's all I needed to know about James Harden as a basketball player and whether or not he was this horrible team cancer some in the media were trying to portray him as. It made absolutely no sense to listen to any outside noise when those things were taken into consideration. Why would MDA and Morey risk it all to add a guy they didn't believe in?
     
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  2. riko

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    Steph? Lol dude stop. Harden is just as good as Steph as scorer and light years better playmaker. Enough with nonsense. Right now harden maybe the greatest duel threat to play the game.
     
  3. riko

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    Hardens last 4 games “WITHOUT KD “ 32 points 11 assists 9 boards 55 percent from the floor 49 percent from the three point line. 4-0 win loss record all on the road. Three consecutive wins over the Suns , Lakers and Clippers
     
  4. vator

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    Should get player of the week again.

    They were 7-6 when they got him and Kyrie and Durant have missed several games. I imagine their record would be hovering around .500 without James.
     
  5. riko

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    Yep un fathomable they will give it to another player besides him or Embiid
     
  6. vator

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    Philly was 2-2 with losses to the Jazz and Raptors. 2-1 when he played. He missed the Jazz game. Yeah he had a monster 50 point game, but I just don't see how this isn't Harden's. They beat a hot Suns team, the Lakers, and Clippers while going 4-0 without Durant.
     
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    Because in a different city, Harden wouldn't have nearly the clout/influence that he had in Houston. If you believed that Harden's cancerous tendencies resulted from his inflated influence, then if you removed that level of influence, you'd be left with an amazing player without all the baggage.
     
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    It depends on how you define "playmaker". I view "playmaker" as the guy who creates the defensive breakdown. To me, Curry's "playmaking" includes the defensive disruption caused by his off-ball action.
     
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    Playmaker is creating points for his teammates with points and running an offense. Jason Kidd? Steve Nash... Now James harden. Controlling an offense and tempo. There has never been a guard who can score and playmake like him. No one.
     
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    Man, I think LeBron is one of the most overrated players ever so I'm all for the slander, but to say that Harden is better offensively... I mean, I guess over the past 3 or 4 years it's close, but offense is pretty much all LeBron does and cares about nowadays and he's been pretty consistent into his old age. He's the master of these guys who have offenses built around them like Harden, Luka, etc.
     
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    Right now. RIGHT NOW harden is better.No one said all time. Right now when KD gets back, the Nets have the best two offensive players on the planet
     
  12. vator

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    What? Come on. If a guy is a legit team cancer and a bad person, he is going to be that wherever he goes. Expecting him to suddenly be a choir boy because you drop him into a new situation isn't really a reasonable expectation. Dennis Rodman was Dennis Rodman everywhere he went. Some organizations just managed his quirkiness and tolerated certain things about his personality better than others. If James is really a diva to the extent that they were saying he was, he is going to still be a diva on a new team eventually. Not saying there wasn't weight to any of the things in the reports, but perhaps things were being blown out of proportion and not as bad as being portrayed. Plenty of superstars get preferential treatment. Also, I wonder who was leaking all that insider information in the first place. Think about that.

    Point is, despite the reports, things couldn't have been nearly as toxic as we were being influenced to believe on a daily basis by media reports if his former coach and GM were willing to get into a bidding war over him.
     
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    Any time people want to make statements like "Player X is the best offensive player in the league", it needs to be qualified with whether we are talking regular season or playoffs.

    There is a clear difference with some players. Playoff LeBron is not the same as Regular Season LeBron. We see it year after year.
     
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    I agree with that.
     
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    Right now . Currently
     
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    That was a smear campaign hit job by Tillman to make himself look good... Half of that article was nonsense and over exaggeration and Timmy McMahon wanting his insider scoops ran with it
     
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    Do you consider Curry's off-ball gravity to be "playmaking"?
     
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    howbout Lebron by himself vs Lebron with Dwade and Bosh vs Lebron with Irving and Love vs Lebron with AD
     
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    So currys off hall gravity is now more important a guy who can run an offense with the ball?lord almighty. Harden is regarded the best of at worst top two or three playmaker. No one ranks Curry and his off the ball gravity in that conversation. Stop
     
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    It's possible to negatively impact a team without being a bad person. The Rockets gave Harden too much influence to the detriment of the team. He won't have anywhere close to that level of influence in Brooklyn so his negative impact will be mitigated.
     

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