Iverson was a willing passer and a great playmaker? Lol just stop embarrassing yourself. Harden is playing like a point guard general out there. Harden is playing like Nash or Kidd then Iverson.
I'm not sure there's much point arguing over aesthetics. Clearly not everyone has the same tastes. The things people have complained most loudly about with Harden in terms of watchability of his offense -- the number of possessions in which dribbles for several seconds before launching a long shot, the number of possessions in which he manufactures a free throw trip -- these things are objectively happening way less frequently. That the reason for that change is different teammates as opposed to him just choosing to play differently with the same teammates doesn't change that it still has happened. And so OF COURSE those same people will not find watching him quite as frustrating as they may have found it in prior seasons.
I would say so....He made it to the Finals with Mutumbo and Eric Snow, yes Eric Snow lol. Didn't fold like Harden. Maybe I would be embarrassed If I cared what you or anyone on this board thought. lol
The boring label really only goes back a few years in the seasons when he has led the league in scoring. I don't remember people calling him boring in MDA's first year as coach with us when he was leading the league in assists, for instance. Before that, people complained about all the tricks he would pull to get himself free throws. Outside of that, I don't remember people complaining about how he scores the ball.
If you think they play the same way then you are truly a fool. Harden playmaking and ability to improve his teammates is light years better. Just stop.
Make me stop. I'm literally here to troll you Harden nut huggers. I never said they play the same way. It's very clear Iverson has the superior handles. lol All I said was Iverson made the Finals with no help, and he did it by passing the ball. Interpret that how you want nut hugger. You forgot I don't care what you think, remember?
Harden isn't wrong. We are trash this year, and he really hasn't that much support. His best support was a 34-year-old injury-prone CP3. He's had nothing more than decent support in most of his time for the Rockets. Then, he's had to play against a very good and amazing Warriors team multiple times with barely any support. If the Nets stay healthy and get a decent defensive big in, nobody is beating them. They have too much firepower in their offense. KD and Kyrie already know how to win a championship, so that'll help Harden. Their defense only has to be decent and they're good.
fouls are fouls you act like he hipnotized the refs and/or opponents and/or magically rewrote the rule book
The boring label has been there for a long time.I believe things people have complained about loudly are the FTs. The dribble dribble stuff only mattered when he was chucking and missing. But then again...everyone becomes boring when they miss. Its the FTs dude and playing in Brooklyn. He still dribbles a lot in Brooklyn, its just a second shorter, it does not matter. Are you really looking at Harden now and going "wow that's a different dude, he's so much more fun to watch"? No....because you have watched him in Houston. Those people never watched him dude.
Iverson was a one dimensional ball hog scorer. Harden is an all time great scorer(better then Iverson as a scorer) and an all time great playmaker passer. Hardens court vision and feel for running an offense is Steve Nash and Jason Kidd like. If you can’t see the difference whatever. Btw, if you gonna troll don’t disappear as soon as harden starts playing well. Like you did after the first few minutes last night hahaha. Anyway I don’t have time to argue with a mentally ill person with anger issues lol
Excuse for what? I'm not the one the pressure is on. I didn't ask to be traded. If they win I will congratulate him. He needs to prove me wrong not the other way around. I hope you are not talking about a excuse for them being good? They have three stars in their prime. They better be good or the criticism would be not coming from just a random clutchfan poster.
You are agreeing with me. As far as his offense, people complained most about his FT attempts (way down) and his dribble-dribble-dribble-shoot-and-miss plays (shot attempts way down, efficiency way up). This is why it should be no surprise that people are liking this Harden more.
Sorry I don't nut hug as close as you do....I actually follow the Rockets and not former players but since Leroy and Reeko missed me so much I thought I would make appearance. To let you Harden nut huggers know, I'm still here and I'm watching lol. Harden has been labeled a ball hogg too....Kidd? Maybe. Nash? Not a chance. Harden is a SG trying to play PG. Harden is not even on CP3 level. He's more like Iverson. lol He's too slow to be like Nash. Those Houston teams never played 7 seconds or less. Harden's to slow. The game doesn't come fast enough to him.
I have to strongly disagree he was widely loved almost on par with Curry until got traded to Denver and people started realizing he was inefficient that things turned. His only punch line was the practice comment and people were split on that. I have no idea what you mean a symbol of his generational inferiority, that was not on him it was more about the Kemp's and Marbury's of the world, everyone loved Iverson, it was that little guy among Giants love. If anything Iversons shine has come way down since the use of analytics and he is in no way thought as highly of as Duncan.
Not to mention, Harden is way more of an efficient player than Iverson ever was, which is crazy because Harden shoots a lot of difficult 3pt shots.
Yes he was man. His boring label has been that way for a long time. And it has always been because of the FTs. That's my point, they werent really watching him. That dribble dribble stuff matters way less than the FTs. And He still does that in Brooklyn to get his points. Either it is boring or it isnt. The frequency isnt significant enough for it to matter when he has been passing and scoring in Houston for a long time. And people who watch him consistently would know this. People who are casuals would not. Its always been about free throw dude. The boring to watch has ALWAYS been about FTs. No one cared about his spectacular passing because of the FTs. No one cared about how he scored regardless(however which way) because of the FTs....and he played in Houston.
Ramose thinks Harden is Iverson because he doesn’t know basketball...most casuals don’t at least he’s stopped pretending that he doesn’t care about Harden while still posting about him all day...there’s no need to be fake
The boring label related to him living on the free throw line. I think it's only been the last few years when it has expanded to include all the ISO-style possessions (because the ISOs only went off the charts in the last 3 seasons). See this thread, for instance, from 2016: A number of people respond that the only thing they can think of that is "boring" about Harden is his FTs.
