Agreed. And I'm pretty sure, by numbers and metrics, the Colts' O-Line is one of the best (if not the best) in the NFL. If Wentz stays upright, he'll return to MVP candidate form imo.
Yeah, I saw when he tweeted that, and a lot of talking heads (Ryan Clark among others) jumped on this take even before he was traded, but Wentz and Deshaun are in TOTALLY different stratosphere's right now. Not only in terms of talent, but in terms of situation as well. If this was 2017 (right after his Pro-Bowl/MVP Caliber season), there's no way he would've gotten traded either. There are a lot of issues in sports that people may not feel comfortable talking about, but race-baiting on this topic ain't one of em.... As you pointed out, it's now a joke though, since everybody slammed him for it....Lol
Wentz was pretty bad last year. They got better when he was benched. It would be miracle if he was a top 10 QB and I seriously doubt MVP.
I just don't believe Wentz's dropoff from his pro bowl season (back in '17) to now, is attributed to him losing skills. I'm inclined to believe it was lack of motivation and health issues, rather than Wentz suddenly falling off a cliff.
Wentz no likey playing under Pederson. Might have started with Foles winning a SB while Wentz was injured, might have been started / exacerbated by Wentz being benched for Hurts, but who knows. A high-caliber elite athlete definitely can become unmotivated. To your point though, I think Lamar's physical skills carried him to an MVP. I don't think he's a top 5 QB in the NFL right now.
If that is so he is a selfish b*stard (which some teammates have said) They traded Foles 2 years ago so how does that contribute to the lack of motivation last year? Lamar's overall game carried him to the MVP and even then Wentz does not have those physical skills and skills qb's are busts all the time just look at Trubisky, Winston, Marietta ,the list is endless.
Lamar's 'overall game' is completely reliant on his skills. He didn't improve at all while his skills dipped a bit. Even though the Ravens were still solid this season, he wasn't at all in the conversation for MVP. As to the bold: I'm just a watcher of the NFL like you. I don't have all the answers. I'm just saying, in my opinion, one doesn't have solid play for three seasons (one in which he made the pro bowl) and then turn into complete trash for a whole season (2020) without some other factor involved. Could it be that Wentz just isn't that good? Maybe. Could it be that Wentz had a bad O-Line and / or he's not really feeling it with his offensive coaches? Maybe. But you're really going to imply that Wentz is a bust? Come on. He was solid from 2017-2019, and took a major step back in 2020. Also, Trubisky, Winston, Mariota were never considered MVP candidates, even at their best.
Yes I am implying Wentz is a bust his play has been trending down since 2017 so that year is the outlier. Other QB's have bad o-lines just look at Watson and why is him not feeling with his offensive coaches a good excuse most of them where there in his MVP year and those same coaches got better play from a rookie. In 2017 a journeyman QB played at the same level so why should Wentz get that credit?
I don't think he lost skill either. I think he's lost mentally. He's got David Carr syndrome. He's been hit way too many times so I dunno if he has what it takes to be a qb in this league anymore.
I'm really confused as to what you're arguing. You're saying he's a bust. Ok. I disagree with you there because your definition of bust is clearly different than mine. Busts don't even give you half a season of productive play - Wentz has been a solid NFL QB since being drafted, with the exception of this past season. Not sure where you're trying to go with the Deshaun point. Deshaun is clearly a better QB than Wentz, and would have done a great job with Philly's O-Line. Wentz would have been bad even with Houston's O-Line. Then you're saying why Wentz gets credit? Credit for what? Credit for the 2017 season in which Foles closed and the Eagles won the SB? Wentz, in 13 starts, finished the year with 3,296 passing yards, 33 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, a 60.2 completion percentage, and a 101.9 quarterback rating. Then he tore his ACL. It's not like Wentz played the first snap of the first game, got hurt, then became QB2 and won a ring purely because of Foles. You can very much argue that Wentz got the Eagles to the playoffs with his play. If Foles was the day 1 starter, maybe the Eagles don't make it to the playoffs. Look at Foles since leaving the Eagles. He's been hot garbage. Why did the same coaches get better play from Hurts? I literally just said a reason could be because Wentz has been unmotivated.
Watson has all the right in the world to demand a trade from the Texans...but he’s failed Houston this week. Sad seeing JJ train elsewhere instead of helping our community, but that’s where we are I guess. Shame.
Dont want QB's that have anything to do with guy or Mulagetta. This years QB class includes Fields and Lance.
Wentz got tired of getting the crap out of him behind a terrible OL. Still not a good look, but there's a better than 50-50 chance of Wentz playing well under his old coach Reich. I'm sure before the trade was completed Reich and Wentz sat down and talked about what caused Wentz issues. They reportedly were close when both were in Philly.
This is what I’m thinking too. If Reich turns him back into 2017 Wentz, that’s game over for this division. Indy is a really good team, just need a QB that can make plays.
Wilson has b.o.b's agent and Avery has been liking a lot of Lawrence's tweet and will likely coach him. Maybe if the Texans didn't have a shi*show for an organization things would be less complicated
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/19/h...ossibility-of-nba-player-movement-daily-cover [...] Mike Tannenbaum, the former Jets general manager, says, “We could be on the precipice of a transformational era in the NFL. We could potentially see NBA-type movement. ... You could be looking at a new era where [franchise] quarterbacks determine where they want to play.” And the consequences will be felt in every QB room, sideline, front office and owner’s box across the league. What will happen to football once the franchise quarterbacks start to roam? For fans with an interest in other sports, it will feel eerily familiar—for NFL clubs, completely foreign. Tannenbaum notes, for example, that some salary-cap tricks could become commonplace. Hypothetically, a quarterback who wants to leave town could propose a creative arrangement to his current and future team, perhaps repaying his bonus money, then have it reimbursed by the new club after the start of the following league year. This would help mitigate some of the “dead money” cap charge (a term used for the amount of money a club already owes a player but has not been reflected on a given year’s cap) endured by the trading team. That dead money is the main reason franchise quarterback trade conversations are typically reserved for Madden and subreddits. While coaches will have to become recruiters of the league’s premium talent, stars like Watson could become kingmakers simply by tapping the promising coaches they would like to work with. (Watson’s recommendation that the Texans interview Robert Saleh fueled rumors that the Jets, Saleh’s new team, are a preferred trade destination for the signal-caller.) These trends could make even more valuable the quarterback-development credentials of coaches like Sean Payton in New Orleans, Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco and Sean McVay in Los Angeles. Owners, though, will endure the most seismic shift. The root of Watson’s unhappiness in Houston, for example, lies with McNair, who has failed to communicate with Watson on multiple franchise-altering decisions. After finding out via social media that star receiver and close friend DeAndre Hopkins had been traded to Arizona last March, Watson was promised a chance to give input on the team’s GM and head-coaching searches. Of the two coaches he suggested, one wasn’t interviewed by the Texans until late in the process (Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy) and the other wasn’t interviewed at all (Saleh, the 49ers defensive coordinator who interviewed with every other team that had a vacancy). And, like with the Hopkins trade, Watson found out about the hiring of new GM Nick Caserio in January via social media. McNair can now bend to the whims of his quarterback or endure months of bad press and the inevitable moment when Watson loudly, finally forces his way out, sullying Houston as a future free-agent destination. Making a franchise a more hospitable place is no longer the problem of people owners constantly hire and fire. It is through their own words and actions—a new level of accountability. [...] Quarterback mobility creates dueling possibilities for football in the near future. One is a kind of top-heavy dystopian wasteland, where all the best players migrate to a few places already glutted with the type of resources needed to draw in top-tier stars. Not unlike in the NBA, the idea of a tattered NFL franchise picking itself up from rock bottom becomes more of a distant fairy tale, and the outlier franchises slowly starve for relevance and success. Like the era when a string of free agents signed discounted deals to join the Patriots, the few places capable and interested in amassing star power are continuously rewarded. A side effect of quarterback movement, experts point out, is that the middle class—the players at any position who do not have affordable rookie contracts or the talent to warrant expensive veteran deals—will further shrink as teams try to create enough cap space to lure top quarterbacks. This year, a season when the salary cap could dwindle or remain flat, could be especially hazardous for those players on teams needing to sign or trade for a quarterback. The other world is more harmonious; a world in which owners create a level of stability; in which general managers, coaches and their staffers aren’t on a constant quest to either gain power or secure what is already won; in which the building becomes the kind of place where people want to work. Corporations and small businesses across the U.S. fight for top employees all the time with culture creation. No longer will the NFL be immune to basic human practices. Imagine the owner who, from the moment they draft the next Deshaun Watson, is terrified at the prospect of losing him. Imagine his becoming involved in the quarterback’s social and charitable causes. Imagine his getting input from the quarterback and his teammates on what kind of coaches they would like, on how they like to train, on the direction they’d like the organization to take. While a handful of NFL teams already operate this way, the fact that this winter could completely upend the NFL, affecting the rosters and job security of dozens of quarterbacks (and consequently other players like offensive linemen, wide receivers, running backs and tight ends) shows how far the league has to go. “It’s part and parcel of running a good organization,” Tannenbaum says. “A good leader is a good listener. Make sure your place is one where players want to play, where they’re happy and fulfilled and being given the best chance to maximize their career.” [...]
Deshaun opened his restaurant during the crisis and fed police officers. What else do you want him to do? Guy has been giving back from day 1. What did billionaire Cal McNair do for the needy? JJ is gone. Soon Deshaun will be gone. THATS where we are. Looking to smear the guys who have endured some of the most incompetent managerial moves in NFL history is a bad look. Its okay to vent and to be upset at some guys but not others - fabricating reasons to further hate the guy is counter productive IMO. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Deshaun-Watson-Leftys-Cheesesteak-Houston-police-15961141.php#:~:text=Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson and,and the state of Texas.
