Was Christian Wood playing at a superstar level before injury?

Maybe Silas is in for the tank too.

 

Talking about stawman, I don't know anybody here is against moving Tucker and Olapido. Tucker was gone before the season started. Olapido looks like he's making the team worse with his presence. House has no love either. Is that your idea of tanking? I doubt that it will make us much worse. So who else do you want to get rid of without giving up assets in order to make us much worse than we are?

 

I'm gonna say yes. He just wasn't playing superstar minutes.

 

Name the “promising young players” pro-tank people are proposing to dump. Or maybe u can’t because u just made that sh*t up.

 

Tucker, Oladipo, Gordon and House should be moved as long as all are moved for positive value.

No one else has any chance of returning value or they are pieces we should be keeping and developing.

I’m not really interested in whether we get better or worse(this year)after making these moves. If we are better, fine(and I do believe that is possible). If we are worse than we have the bonus of slightly increasing our odds at retaining our pick.

My #1 priority for wanting to trade those guys is not to do everything we can to try to keep our pick this year. Accumulate assets when we can, bring in youth, develop it and remain as flexible as possible.

Look at OKC. We are all of 1 game ahead of them. They are doing what we should be doing. And they aren’t even terrible. They just aren’t hanging on to older guys for some marginal gains.

 

He is not a Superstar yet. He isn't even an allstar yet. He's also 25 now not a rookie. He's a good 3rd option but if we're relying on him to win the title then we're in trouble.

 

Looks like we aren't disagreeing after all. You aren't one of those who want us to suck real bad to heighten the chances of getting the top 4 pick.

 

I don't think many people believe he is a lock to be a superstar, or even a second tier kind of star. But so far, when he was playing we were not one of the tanking team. So he has been at least good enough to make a bad team decent.

 

Eh... this thread is about Christian Wood, isn't it? With him playing, we have been a .decent team. Some of you sound like you wish that either he would continue to be injured or that he would stop playing so well in order to fulfill your dream of getting one of the top picks.

 

Cause getting a top pick is how we really make use of Woods and Tate. I dont want to waste them for a mediocre "maybe" chance at making the playoffs.

 

I would prefer we go for the pick. But I don’t think we should shed talent so aggressively that we pay to have players moved(Wall). I don’t think we should move young guys that are currently helping us and have potential for growth. Deals have to make sense. And should focus on the future. I just don’t think we should prioritize keeping say, Gordon, because he will help us this year, if a good deal is there to be made for younger promising prospects and/or solid draft picks.

Like I said. If we move out our older guys with positive value and we suck. So be it. A better chance at the pick is a good bonus to go along with whatever assets we get in trade. If we continue to be a decent fringe playoff team, that’s fine too. That means our youth has taken on a bigger role and gotten better.

 

that is such nonsensical BS...the way people just invent narratives in their head and run with it is laughable

1st it was people were proposing to dump the “promising young players” which never happened...nothing more than a lame strawman

now it’s people wish Wood would continue to be injured or that he doesn’t play well...another garbage lie

people want to get rid of the placeholders like EG, Dipo, Tucker, and Wall whenever he has anything resembling positive value

when people resort to ridiculous strawman arguments, they’ve got nothing

 

Fantastic complimentary piece to a good perimeter creator.

Superstar needs to dominate a game independently of any other factors.

 

So you are not in favor of being bad in order to get the high pick? Honestly?

Like I said in the other post, nobody is objecting to moving Dipo and Tucker. Wall's contract is unmovable unless you want to trade him for someone like Westbrook. EG's contract is a little better than Wall's but still very bad. How are you going to get value back without giving up values? Both of these guys have negative trade values.

Contenders won't have cap space to trade picks for any of them. (Contenders' picks aren't very valuable anyway.) And tanking teams won't be interested in taking "place holders" like that.

I am tired of keeping asking for the tanking crowd how you plan on making the team substantially worse without giving up good assets. The only "hope" I can see is that Wood won't be coming back soon.

 

I am. Sit Woods for the season.

EG can be moved I believe.

We will see at the deadline. But contenders would be wise to try and get Gordon.

Rest Woods, trade Gordon, Oladipo, Tucker and Nwaba.

 

Well, at this point it would be silly to rush Wood back.

If he were a guard, whatever, but him being a big means he's more susceptible to foot injuries and lower leg injuries. If the Rockets were in contention of anything, sure, but right now they shouldn't rush him back.

I doubt he sits, he needs to play because he was improving his game, but they need to make sure that foot is at 90% at least before putting him back out there.

 

Sure, put him in at the back end of the season on a minutes restriction and let him get his reps in. Than we will work on strength and conditioning for next season. We need him. Why put him out there for this. If we REALLY want Tate and Woods to mean something, we gotta get "The Guy" ....we need that guy.

 

lol sitting him for the season is like deleting a year from his development..and hes already not too young... not smart

 

You mean you want to sit Wood even after he has healed from his injury? Or do you wish him injured for the season? Are you insane? That's what I was talking about. That's not stawman. You said it here.

Wood isn't Steph Curry or LeBron James. Those established superstar can just sit out half a season. You don't let a developing young player rot on the bench just because you want to tank the season.

Good luck for that. We can agree to disagree about Gordon's trade value. He is only attractive to contenders. Contenders cannot trade pick for a 20M contract straight up. So the most likely trade that would give you back good value for Gordon from a contender is:

(a) bad pick(s) and decent player(s) with matching contracts. But if you want to tank, why do you want to get back a decent player. Why not just keep Gordon?

or (2) a good pick from a bad team and a deadweight contract worse than EG's. But why do we want to rebuild with another deadweight contract on the roster?

Neither scenario is what you can call "getting good value back."

 

Well, at some point you do wave the white flag. Just like if you're down 30 and the 4th qtr hits you just send in the bench there will come a point, at this rate, where the flag should be waved.

I think Wood is part of that, I think he can be the guy.

I know a lot of people are going "We beat up on bad teams so that streak was a fluke." I just disagree with that, they were winning games against bad teams, true...and now they are losing them lol. They gave it an effort, for a moment it looked like they would be a playoff team, unless they get Wood back next week and Wall/Dipo play monumentally better, they are going to have a high pick that's hopefully top 4.