Honest question here: what should Dems have done... (a) over the last 30 years where Limbaugh et al. went 24-7 with Democrats are the ultimate evil and thou-shalt-hate-them (and "their" (sic) media). How should Dems have responded to that? I don't think they did a good job, but I don't have an answer. (b) over the last 4 years with non-stop lying, divisive rhetoric coming out of the Whitehouse, like nothing else we've ever seen before from publicly elected officials -- truly, it's not even close. This led millions of people falsely embracing the idea that the election was "stolen" because Trump had prepared this lie for about a year or more. What should Dems have done, especially as many leading GOP members helped sell the lie and refused to stand up to their dangerous leader?
The dems had a similar reaction in 2016. The hate for trump was from day 1. Look at Stacey's reaction in 2018. Eerily similar to the recent election reaction. I understand why the dems are doing what they are doing. It makes sense. I dont understand all of the anger though. They won, move on and let the losers fade away. Biden seems to have done that, but all of these other leaders need to follow suit.
I think Democratic voters did a damn good job of responding to the Republican demagoguery of Democrats by choosing Obama over Hillary in 2008. The party isn't really a party as much as it has been about Democratic voter crowd sourcing which typically gets it right. The campaign of Hope, etc. and really progressing on issues such as gay marriage, etc. really was the right way to go. The "party" itself though has always been one that didn't think to develop a partisan media propaganda sphere though like the Republican party did with FoxNews... because due to the reaction of the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush years, the party was going against the large corporation agenda of government coming out of the Reagan revolution. So the media money shifted to the Republican party when billionaires like Murdoch funded propaganda, and the Democratic party had very little consolidated wealth to build a media company. The Democratic party still had to rely on mainstream media sources which really only cared about the Democratic message in a way that viewed those voters as consumers rather than voters. So I think as a whole the Democratic party voters have done as well as we could have over the past two decades although those old enough to be around probably got it wrong during the Clinton years. My main criticism is with the billionaires like Tom Steyer and Bloomberg who have not done enough to put their money into realizing the major problem that FoxNews has become to Democracy, and not invested enough in media that combats that epic level of propaganda that has destroyed our Democracy, and led to the incredibly clear rise of fascism.
Role switch. If Biden lost the EC and held a rally outside the Capitol and told them to march like hell to contest an election he said would be rigged for over a year, you'd still ask to move on? Throw in how many dead cops? Like 3 from suicide alone right? Imagine Schumer or Pelosi doing tours the day before to show how to find Cornyn, Cruz, McConnell, etc with nooses ready all the while chanting to start a revolution. You wouldn't want an investigation? You'd just sweep this under the rug huh?
Do you just parrot? Why are you parroting Trump's weak impeachment managers? Their arguments suck, and going with the "why you hate Trump" argument is the most losing argument for the case at hand I've ever heard. Surprised you didn't you Madonna in your post too. I never hated Trump personally. I hate the idea of losing Democracy to an autocrat who runs on a platform of deconstructing the administrative state (as articulated by his campaign manager, and most influential advisor). Trump was and is an autocrat who ran on and until January 6th of this year, tried everything in his power to destroy our Democracy. I'm very very sorry that you feel like that is "HATE". It's actually passion for the ability to have a Democracy where if we don't like the way we are being represented, we have the power to vote them out. That is what YOUR PARTY is trying their damnest to take away, and is something that you yourself have been supportive over the past 5 years. Don't talk to me about "Hate" dude. You'd be pretty F-ing pissed off too if a Democratic president literally tried a coup in order to overthrow an election.
If he said to be peaceful then I would be upset at the events not Joe. This garbage was not incited by trump. I haven't posted here in a while because I know that we are just too far apart to have a positive debate. Anyone who doesnt hate trump and our last 4 years is public enemy #1 these days. Yall stay warm this weekend.
Actually I dont follow twitter much. Elections have consequences so I am just trying to take it day by day.
Hey, I'll take a genuine reply from ya over a troll response. I disagree with Trump not inciting it but not about to start piling on with all the reasons why. Stay warm as well.
Trump said exactly who he was, and that's why it seems like the anger is directed at Trump supporters. Because he said who he was, and people like you were so intoxicated at the thought of gaining everlasting power to enshire your minority beliefs on everyone else that you said... yeah... I'm willing to support someone who is openly telling us that he he will do exactly what he did. You are not wrong to avoid the debate because yeah... you are going to get piled on because of what you supported which is undermining Democracy through propping up an autocrat. So go on another break if you can't handle that heat. I'm willing to engage you on how to move forward but for the love of God, you're showing today that you still don't get it, and are just parroting more anti-democracy propaganda outlets. If you show up with that kind of nonsense that shows you learned nothing, yeah... get ready to get piled on. And it's not "hate"... it's disappointment. Disappointed in other Americans who sold the country down the river for one freaking clown.
And if I only hear that and only that word, it’s great. Why narrow the flashlight focus so much to not see the full picture? What didn’t happen? He didn’t incite the violence attack on the capital? Are you serious? He is not gone. He is running again in 2024 and has a very good chance of winning. And we can chew gum and walk at the same time. But if you want Biden or a future President to not accept a loss and incite a mob attack on the Capital to stop Congress from certifying the result in an attempt to overturn the election, let’s just forget it and move on.
Trump didn't say that initially. He also offered support to the criminal insurrectionists saying they were patriots and that he loved them and they should remember this day forever. He spend months talking sewing the seeds of doubt about a fair election. Trump is gone, and he needs to stay gone, and he also needs to be held accountable. You don't fail to prosecute criminals because they've left the scene of the crime and are gone.
Throughout trump's past he has preached violence... Trump’s message from the start: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” Trump indirectly took aim at Black Lives Matter protesters, calling Sen. Bernie Sanders “weak” after Sanders allowed protesters to seize the microphone at a campaign rally. “I thought that was disgusting. That showed such weakness — the way he was taken away by two young women. … They just took the whole place over.” Trump added, “That will never happen with me. I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will. But that was a disgrace. … I felt badly for him, but it showed that he’s weak.” in response to the news that the Boston assault was inspired by his rhetoric, Trump did not denounce the violence, instead calling his supporters “passionate.” “I think that would be a shame. I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate. They love this country. They want this country to be great again. But they are very passionate. I will say that,” he told reporters the next day. After repeatedly being interrupted by protesters at a campaign rally in Miami, Trump warned he’ll “be a little more violent” next time when addressing protesters. “See, the first group, I was nice. ‘Oh, take your time.’ The second group, I was pretty nice. The third group, I’ll be a little more violent. And the fourth group, I’ll say get the hell out of here!” he said. On video, the pro-immigration protesters could be seen being forcibly dragged out of the campaign event. At a rally in Birmingham, Alabama, Trump demanded the removal of Black activist Mercutio Southall Jr. after he yelled, “Black lives matter!” Onstage, Trump exclaimed, “Get him the hell out of here! Get him out of here! Throw him out!” In a video captured by CNN, Southall fell to the ground as Trump made his statements and white men appeared to kick and punch him. As security guards removed Southall from the rally, the crowd chanted, “All lives matter,” according to the Washington Post. Trump told Fox News the next day, “Maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing. I have a lot of fans, and they were not happy about it. And this was a very obnoxious guy who was a troublemaker who was looking to make trouble.” At a campaign rally in Iowa, Trump, in describing the loyalty of his supporters, notoriously said, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.” At a campaign rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Trump told the crowd that his security team informed him there may be somebody throwing tomatoes. “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. There won’t be so much of them because the courts agree with us,” he said. At a campaign rally in Las Vegas, Trump said of a protester, “I’d like to punch him in the face.” As security guards escorted the protester out of the rally, Trump mocked him, saying, “He’s smiling. Having a good time.” He then reminisced about being able to get away with violence: “There’s a guy, totally disruptive, throwing punches. We’re not allowed to punch back anymore. I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.” Trump also called the protester “nasty as hell.” CNN reported that the man did not appear to fight with the security guards taking him outside. Two days after the assault, Trump said such attacks on protesters were “very, very appropriate” and the kind of action “we need a little bit more of.” Trump called the protesters “very violent,” though multiple news outlets at the time reported that there were no documented cases of protesters inciting violence against Trump supporters. During a speech to law enforcement officials in Long Island, New York, Trump encouraged police to be more violent when handling suspects and potential offenders: At a rally in Montana, Trump celebrated Republican Rep. Greg Gianforte, who body-slammed a reporter in May 2017, telling the crowd, “Any guy who can do a body-slam ... he’s my guy.” At a Florida rally, Trump turned the idea of shooting migrants and asylum seekers into a punchline. In his remarks, he asked, “How do you stop these people?” A woman at the rally reportedly yelled “shoot them” in response. Trump then joked, “That’s only in the Panhandle, you can get away with that statement.” Following the first weekend of social justice protests after George Floyd’s killing, Trump threatened to shoot looters in Minneapolis. His tweet thread showed the tone that would dominate his reaction to the unrest in the following months: He called protesters “thugs” and said, “when the looting starts, the shooting starts.” Twitter flagged Trump’s tweet for “glorifying violence.”
I don't know how Trump supporters like @Astrodome don't realize that if we were just concerned with winning at any cost like Republicans are, then we'd be delighted for Trump to run again. Trump was able to inspire 81 MILLION people to vote for old a$$ Joe Biden. Trump is a winner for Democrats winning elections. Barring him from running only hurts Republicans who probably won't fair too well running as the party of Insurrection, and Space Lasers in 2022 and 24. This impeachment trial is only to the benefit of the Republican party... unless you care about our Institutions, and precedent. Impeaching and Barring Trump only hurts Democrats who likely lose the mid terms when Republicans are forced to run on Conservativism, and allows them to win back suburban voters with a broader agenda of Fiscal Conservativism.
What is the point of this then? The dems have to have some motivation? I agree that trump running again probably benefits the left.
The motivation is to hold him accountable for his actions, and ensure that future politicians won't see this as something they can do without consequences. Further motivation might be to force Republicans on the record for whether or not they support or condone violent attempts to steal a free and fair election by those in power.
I am sorry but I dont recall the last time a President incited a mob to attack the Capitol and watched in glee. No comparison. Trump attacked our institution. It isnt a Dem vs GOP thing. If Biden does what Trump did, I would want his add behind bars as well. In fact, the reason I want Trump to be punished for what he did is so that NO ONE else dares to do what Trump did, which ever party they are from. See above. Trump is an idiot which is why he failed. But there will be someone in the future, who cares just as less of democracy like Trump, except they are not an idiot like him. Our democratic institution needs to be safeguarded against someone like that in the future. Make an example of Trump. Then safeguard democracy by plugging in the holes that Trump exposed and tried to exploit.
Immediately after finding out that Pence was being moved because the Capitol had been breached by his supporters Trump tweeted this- "Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution" Why do you think Trump did that?
Behind bars? Lol, he would never be charged criminally. Of course, the politicians can have their kangaroo court but there would actually have to he evidence for actual criminal charges. Smh.
Maybe not but he should be for what he did and attempted. The fact that you dont have a problem with that shows you care more about the party than the country which is a shame. But then again that's a typical Trump voter sadly.
