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Was Christian Wood playing at a superstar level before injury?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Feb 5, 2021.

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Before injury, would you say Christian Wood was playing at a superstar level?

  1. Yes

    57 vote(s)
    30.5%

  2. No

    130 vote(s)
    69.5%
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  1. D-rock

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    Holy shet man, how many times do I have to spell it out?

    I posted a link and everything.

    The original dispute was that durv disagreed with my stance that Wood deserved more touches on offense due to his efficiency.

    Durv made this about "superstar" not me.

    How many ways must I repeat this to you?????
     
    #181 D-rock, Feb 6, 2021
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    You are getting weird.
     
    #182 D-rock, Feb 6, 2021
  3. Easy

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    I'm not talking about impact. We are talking about "superstar." There's no official definition of that. Who is a superstar is more about impression than about real impact.

    Both LeBron and AD are widely considered superstars. Their impacts clearly are very different.

    I don't think this thread is meant to be a deep discussion about how good a player Wood is. It's an impression poll. Don't take everything so seriously.
     
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  4. durvasa

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    Interesting. You are drawing a connection that I wasn't paying attention to before. I saw the "we need to run the offense more through Wood" claim as an entirely separate conversation from "Wood is on the same level as these superstars based on this infographic" claim. One happened early in the morning, the other late in the day. In between, believe it or not I had a job to do. I never saw you link those two things until just now.

    I read through that thread and your responses. Let me make sure I get this right. You think ESPN posting an infographic that lumps Wood in the same category as those superstar bigs means that we should be thinking of him like he's on that level or that he can attain that level in the short term with the right offense around him that really focuses on playing through him.

    If that's your point, here's my response to that:

    Those three stats don't show that he was playing at their level. Points, rebounds, and FG% are reasonable indicators for elite play for a big man, yes. But not for 20 games, and not when lineups league wide have been so unstable. And they also don't come all that close to summing up the total impact of what players like Giannis, Embiid, and Jokic bring to the table. We have good reason to be optimistic about the player Wood can be come if he can stay healthy. We don't need to rush to put him on the same tier as established, MVP-caliber guys.

    And I think it is premature to think that if we run the offense through Wood that it will clearly benefit the team given the other areas where he still needs to show improvement. I agree with the coaches favoring a guard-oriented offense that shares the offensive load over several players. I think that style makes us better, on both ends, and best matches the array of skills we have on the roster. And I haven't seen enough playmaking ability from Wood to think he would be successful if we put him in a greatly expanded offensive role. The longer Wood plays and excels, the more confidence his teammates will have in him, and they will look to him more in the offense in spots where they learn he can be most effective. I'm totally fine with that for his first year with us when these guys are still learning each other.

    Make you final points, if you wish, but that's really all I want to say about it.
     
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  5. D-rock

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    Nice albeit late recovery.

    But the point remains, Wood's offensive efficiency is off the charts and not getting Wood more than 9 touches on average is a horrible disuse.

    You torpedoed this discussion with all the parsing and narrative shifts.
     
    #185 D-rock, Feb 6, 2021
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  7. durvasa

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    Nope, you torpedoed it by not being clear about the point you were making (guess what, no one else got it either).
     
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    I mean, that's how one would evaluate it, if you have the superstar impact, you are most likely a superstar. I mean...Im fairly certain with most people, its about the numbers. The numbers will generally reflect if you are a superstar or not.

    Uhh, maybe? Idk, but you can quantify their impacts, to show how they are a superstar.

    I mean....it kinda looks like it tbh. But whatever, I have no dog in this fight. I was just explaining to you that your criteria really wouldn't show if someone was a superstar or not. Im not taking it seriously, I wasnt attacking you or anything. Its very hard to convey tone over the internet, I will do a better job of toning down the curtness next time. My apologies.
     
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    Of course no one else got it, you purposefully hijacked the discussion which was your sole intention after you lost the argument.

    This very poll thread is abject proof of your misdirection.
     
    #189 D-rock, Feb 6, 2021
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    All i know is we aren't using wood to his full potential. Harden made Wood look like a god, everyone else isn't skilled enough it seems.
     
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    You posting an ESPN infographic as proof that the offense should to be running through Wood because he is on the same level as Embiid, Jokic, and Giannis does not qualify as you winning an argument. It's hilarious that you think it does.

    This is like Donald calling the election on Election night. No one is buying this crap.
     
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    If anyone is like Donald Trump it's you.

    You love the misdirection, you do it all the time.

    Even after you have admitted that we are not in disagreement about Wood being a "superstar" you are still trying to push a false narrative.

    The infographic was proof of nothing.

    It was just one of the supporting arguments used to substantiate that Wood is deserving of more touches a game.

    Bring on your prevarications durv, I could do this all day.
     
    #192 D-rock, Feb 6, 2021
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    We needed our superstar tonight
     
    #193 robbie380, Feb 6, 2021
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    If anyone is like Donald Trump it's you.
     
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    This is the first time you’ve spelled it out for me.
     
    #195 dmoneybangbang, Feb 6, 2021
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    We see you Wood!

     
    #197 D-rock, Feb 8, 2021
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    Yikes - we see you, Clint Capela!
     
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    Embiid no longer shooting 40% from 3.

     
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    This is what happens when you trade a superstar and lose another superstar to injury.
     
    #200 robbie380, Feb 8, 2021
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