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Was Christian Wood playing at a superstar level before injury?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Feb 5, 2021.

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Before injury, would you say Christian Wood was playing at a superstar level?

  1. Yes

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    30.5%
  2. No

    130 vote(s)
    69.5%
  1. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

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    I think its a loaded question, but answered no even though I do believe him to be an up and coming star.

    Look at the usage rates between the guys you are trying to compare Wood to. Its eye raising that Wood is even in the discussion.

    Today Wood is not considered a "superstar" but he's young and I think when the ROX focus on making him the 1st option he will have all the metrics to make the case.
     
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  2. D-rock

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    This is so typical @durvasa .

    You love to mince and dissect "words" instead of the subject actually being discussed.

    You especially love to do this when your logic arguments begin to flag or are without sufficient substance.

    Do not act like this is the first time you have been accused of being a contrarian.

    Your reputation as a contrarian is so renown that "Contrarian" should be the second line in your username.
     
  3. D-rock

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    Wood IS playing on their level right now.

    Do you still dispute that?
     
  4. heypartner

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    continuing an argument into a new thread, and still arguing over what you are arguing

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  5. durvasa

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    In your view, was he playing at the same level as the two leading MVP candidates this year — Jokic and Embiid? Do you consider that to be a loaded question?
     
  6. Verbal Christ

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    No he was not.

    edit: does each player have the team focused on running the offense through them? Jokic? Yes? Embiid? Yes?

    Wood?
     
  7. durvasa

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    Right. I agree with you, and also that the question itself is silly because you can’t compare the production of players in different roles and also over a relatively short stretch of games to infer anything about this “level” of play relative to eachother.
     
  8. D-rock

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    That is NOT the question.

    Wood is putting up similar numbers/production WITHOUT being the focus of his own team's offense.

    He is not even 2nd option.

    This detail should only underline how dominant he has been this season, rather than what you suggest - diminish his achievements.
     
  9. durvasa

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    So you literally can’t even state the position I supposedly expressed in the other thread that you are calling “contrarian”.

    I think you are done here.
     
  10. D-rock

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    Attacking words again.

    You love to make things vague to push your agenda.

    Now you have a problem with "level" now too?

    Playing at an elite level is not vague when ESPN stats provides you a group of 5 guys who are all producing 20+ points, 10+ rebounds, 55% FG.

    And Wood is not the only non-superstar, Sabonis is one as well.
     
  11. D-rock

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    Yes, you are absolutely done.
     
  12. MorningZippo

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    Wood is objectively producing at an all star level. There’s really no debating it. I guess you can debate if role should be relative to being an all star, but that’s not really related to wood.
     
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  13. lakersuck2

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    Look man, saying he's putting up similar numbers is disingenuous.
    Jokic
    26.1 11.7 8.4 1.7 0.6
    Giannis
    27.3 11.2 5.9 1.1 1.2
    Embiid
    29.8 10.8 2.7 1.2 1.3
    Wood
    22.0 10.2 1.3 0.9 1.5

    You have to lower the goal post to include Wood I'm the conversation. You could make an infographic that says that Embiid, Jokic and Embiid are the only players averaging 26, 10, and 2.5 and then Wood is cut off. And before you say that his role isn't as prominent, I know and I know that you know that I know. I've been whining about it on every game thread lol. But we can only judge players on what they do and not what they can do.
     
  14. Verbal Christ

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    I mean how many games did Wood have a 20/10 line dating to last year? I guess 20/10 games arent weighted the same as in years past, Wood only gets up 9 shots per game. Yet Giannis and all the others in the debate have not only first option usage in their favor, but the stats that are necessary to say they are superstars.

    Hard to get the stats necessary to provide a compelling argument when it isnt an apples to apples comparison.

    edit: sorry Wood is getting 15 shots per game - my mistake.
     
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  15. D-rock

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    I did not make the infographic, ESPN and other media outlets did.

    Those 3 metrics have been used by ESPN and other media to identify and determine elite big men play in the past.

    If anyone is being disingenuous it's those that are trying to add qualifiers and other touch feely subjectiveness factors to muddy up the discussion.

    You could add a different 3rd metric, which you did, or expand the metrics further to eliminate any candidate.

    For example, by asking which player(s) in addition to those 3 metrics are also 80% at the rim and 42% from 3.

    Only Wood.

    Although Embiid would be the next closest since he is the only other big shooting +40% from 3.

    See how that goes?

    Again, all this is to distract from the main point of the discussion.

    Wood is just one of only 5 players in the NBA right now putting up 20+ points, 10+ rebounds at least 55% FG.

    As Rockets fans this is to be celebrated, not deconstructed.
     
  16. Verbal Christ

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    This is Christian Woods FIRST year with the team and he's being compared to Giannis, Jokic and Embiid.

    I'd say the future looks bright.
     
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  17. D-rock

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    Hell YES!!!
     
  18. Verbal Christ

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    Its a weird pushback. he's having a great year for this team - he's obviously not Giannis or Joker, but thats OK. Those guys have been in their respective systems and hierarchy for years.
     
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    The issue is using short sample sizes to declare this and that.

    I think consistent production is what makes a super star over a star or all star. What is clear is that Woods is our current “#1 draft pick”.
     
  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Bro just stop with that nonsense. What’s more cowardly than calling someone a coward over an anonymous forum?
     

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