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Bottoming Out or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Rebuild

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dmoneybangbang, Feb 4, 2021.

  1. MrButtocks

    MrButtocks Member

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    It's pretty close. There's a reason Kurucs is getting garbage time minutes and Bruno is not.
     
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  2. D-rock

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    Harden trade?

    Because Rockets waived him to make room roster room for the returning players for trade to be completed.
     
  3. MrButtocks

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    My bad, I didn't know he was waived. I think that's his career.
     
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  4. Mr Woods

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    He’s a fantastic cheerleader. Will be sorely missed
     
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  5. Trackwell

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    I 2nd this!
     
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  6. dmoneybangbang

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    There's plenty of rosters spots for players that "are terrible at playing basketball", not that I think that. 6'9" combo forward with 7'2" wing span that has experience in the euroleague and had a nice rookie season and decent sophomore season?

    'Good money".... ? You think if we bottom out we are going to be running up against the cap? Bottoming out means taking flyers on multiple long shots.

    Amusing how Kurucs is the most contentious point....
     
  7. dmoneybangbang

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    Bless your heart....

    Delusions of grandeur that you haven't shaken off since the Harden trade? Give it time.
     
  8. dmoneybangbang

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    House can be a keeper or a mover, but I wouldn't bet on him being more than a sweetener in a larger trade.

    He will need to go a ways to rebuild his value and reputation.
     
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  9. MrButtocks

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    "Throwing good money after bad" is an expression that means spending more money after losing some on an initial investment. It does not mean a lot of money or that we need to limit our spending due to a cap. So if you buy a car that turns out to be a lemon, don't throw good money after bad and try to fix it up.

    We have Kurucs this season. If he continues his level of play there is no need to pick up his option. We have signed better, younger players for less.
     
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  10. dmoneybangbang

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    I'm familiar with the expression and still don't see how it applies to this post Harden situation. Judging him based off the total of 47 minutes he has played with a new team doesn't seem prudent. He showed a small amount of promise his first two seasons, moreso his first when there wasn't a Covid season and his off court issues occurred.

    He's just a warm body that we will most likely not sign after next season in my scenario, but we have his contract. If he turns out to be a 9th man then we will be first in line to extend him.
     
  11. Nook

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    Ultimately the NBA is a star driven league. Not just a star driven league but a super star driven one.

    The only think worse than not having a super star is having a quasi superstar player than keeps you from drafting a super star.

    The Rockets were able to trade for a super star when they got James Harden. The Rockets cannot count on that happening a gain. That is a very, very rare event.

    So that mean that the Rockets either need to get really lucky and find a Kawahi Leonard in the draft (very rare) or they will need top 4-5 lottery picks. Realistically they will likely need more than one. Look at Boston and the Sixers. They are built on lottery picks. The Lakers do not get LBJ or AD without having multiple lottery picks to trade.

    The Rockets have a chance to get a high lottery pick or two from the Nets picks. However that is years down the road. The Rockets could hypothetically try to trade for a high lottery pick but that is very rarely done because teams that have those picks want to keep them or trade them for a star.

    That leaves the only real option being that the Rockets get a high lottery pick or two over the next 3 years by drafting them with their own picks.

    As it stands the Rockets will not get a high lottery pick this year. As their pick is only top 4 protected.

    However the next two years after than the Rockets control their own picks. Further, next year is expected to be a very top heavy draft with several serious potential franchise players.

    Complicating all of this is the fact that it will be difficult to sell ownership on a rebuild after this season.

    From a long term perspective, the "wise" thing to do is to probably trade Tucker for a #1 if we can get that, or for the 3 #2's that has been reported.

    @Clutch believes the Rockets can get 2 #1's for Oladipo. If that is the case, the Rockets need to jump at that opportunity.

    While I would like to win as many games as possible this year, not at the expense of losing 3 first round draft picks.

    If the Rockets can spin those two trades, that will tilt the Harden trade greatly in the Rockets favor......

    That would mean the Rockets traded Harden, Tucker, Covington, Westbrook for:
    3 #1's from the Nets
    1 #1 from the Bucks
    3 #1'a from the Oladipo/Tucker deals
    4 draft swaps from the Nets,
    #1 from the Blazers
    Aheavily protected #1 from the Pistons
    A heavily protected #1 from the Wizards.
    John Wall.
    $35,000,000 in cap space.

    That would ultimately mean the Rockets would get 10 #1 draft picks, 4 draft swaps.

    That is an absolute haul.

    Now half those picks are protected and for sure will not be lottery picks, but the other half are not protected at all.

    Then if the Rockets were to drop deep into the lottery in 2022, they would be in a very deep draft and have multiple picks to use or trade.

    The Rockets also would not have to give up on this season. If they traded Oladipo and Tucker, they could make a separate deal to bring in some young promising players like Bamba or even one of a number of young small forwards around the league that are young and are not getting time.
     
  12. Deckard

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    Wow! While I’ve seen much of this before, the way you’ve put it together sounds really impressive, @Nook. It makes me more excited about the future. We may actually be big players in the draft for a change by either drafting or dealing multiple picks and for multiple years. :cool:
     
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  13. don grahamleone

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    Where I come from "Bless your heart..." means **** you. Is that how you meant it? I get the feeling it was. And for that...

    ...bless your heart.
     
  14. dmoneybangbang

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    Means "*** you"? That's a bit much.....Where you from, NYC?

    Southern Living: How to Respond to "Bless Your Heart

     
  15. don grahamleone

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    Bless your little pea picking heart @dmoneybangbang

    I'm well aware of how southerners use the phrase. No need to be a coward about how you used it. You were being demeaning and passive aggressive. Anyway I knew exactly what you mean when you said it so.. it's out there.

    And go **** yourself. You ain't hiding anything with your words. I'm a lot better with them than you'll ever be and I knew exactly what you meant and how you used it. You're an even worse piece of **** for trying to hide behind what should be a polite phrase, but these days it's almost always used in a demeaning way unless it's directed at a child. So again, read section 3 line 1 and go be well.
     
  16. dmoneybangbang

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    LOL.... a coward? I think this is a bit of an overreaction to how you said:

    It was a ribbing..... don't dish it if you can't take it.... maybe I'll add a smiley next time so you don't get your panties in a wad. :oops:
     
  17. don grahamleone

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    Thanks for the advice, loser. See ya later.

    Anybody in the market for some used panties? They're in a wad if that's okay.
     
  18. dmoneybangbang

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    Lol. All because you can dish it but can’t take it....:rolleyes:
     

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