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Cuban to Zach Lowe: **** You!

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Nook, Feb 5, 2021.

  1. francis 4 prez

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    it's not impossible, but it tends to be the kind of narrative thing that the media makes up after we know the results.

    winning: loose and carefree
    losing: not taking it seriously

    winning: making it so your teammates just have to catch and shoot
    losing: only letting your teammates catch and shoot so they can't get in a rhythm

    winning: passionate and competitive
    losing: whining and hurting morale
     
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  2. durvasa

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    That's fair. And if a team is losing games, for whatever reason, there's a good chance that the team's spirit will be deflated regardless of what the leader of the team is doing.

    At the same time, I still think body language and overly complaining to refs would impact teammates. If on-court leadership is an actual thing, then wouldn't it follow that those things matter?
     
  3. Nook

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    The complaining with referees is a mixed bag. I have seen guys constantly complain (Wade/Drexler/Kobe) and it not really impact anything. I have seen guys like Chris Paul whine and complain and it go both ways (although Foster screwed him in key playoff call).

    There is no disputing that arguing and not getting back is a problem. Although in the case of Doncic he may well have not gotten back anyway).

    My biggest issue is body language. It means nothing and it is interpreted for a narrative almost always. Scottie Pippen constantly dropped his heads and shoulders. Jordan and Payton would shake their heads when a teammate missed a shot. Magic Johnson had his shoulders down and would actively scream at his own teammates for mistakes or missed shots. Jordan used to lash out at innocent teammates when the team struggled.

    It is a stupid narrative. Judge them on their performance and not their body language.
     
  4. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    This is a non-issue.

    Any owner would defend their star's on-court actions...even Tilman.
     
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  5. Pistol Pete

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    That's also coming from the biggest whiner of an owner.
     
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  6. Nook

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    Yeah he does whine a lot for an owner. However he also is a really good owner. He is heavily invested in his team. He defends his guys and he is always looking for ways to get better. Also what he did for Rodman and some other of his players was great.
     
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  7. Pistol Pete

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    At one point his whining was embarassing the players....... Dirk among others had to ask him to tone it down.

    Off the court help with the down and out players is to be commended, for sure.

    Bottom line overall results as a team owner don't equal a really good owner. He's loud and overrated, in my opinion.
     
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  8. Easy

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    Lowe should come watch Eric Gordon play. :D
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    Haven't seen Cuban in a while. Looks like he aged and lost a little weight
     
  10. blahblehblah

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    Agreed about some of his behavior being a problem, but can't see how anyone can question him being a good owner.

    He was the first to spend on more trainers, coaches and facilities for his players. Add in the fact he's always been willing to spend into the luxury tax as well as his over the top support for his players publicly.

    Cuban is undoubtedly a loud mouth and far from perfect, but he's always been willing to put his money where his mouth is.
     
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  11. Nook

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    He has won a title in 20 years and took over a historically bad franchise. He isn’t perfect, his GM wanted Gianis and Cuban said no... but he is better than most.
     
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    luka being an awful shooter and not playing defense probably has more to do with the mavs losing than his whining.
     
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  13. Pistol Pete

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    He also got rid of Steve Nash which cost him some titles.
     
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    as far as i’m concerned... luka and cuban and lowe and nba zebras... all whiny little b****es!
     
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    Is that you saying "big nose" or some twitter idiot? If you, why? #implications not pretty.
     
  16. Nook

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    I have always called him big nose Lowe. I call him that because his nose takes up half his face. He has a Buick parked over his top lip.
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    He looks like the Little Caesar’s character
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  17. don grahamleone

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    I was watching Harden tonight and damn does that guy whine a lot. I think he kind of brought that culture to Houston. PJ used to do it a lot. EGo has cut down on it, but could use a little more cutting back on that. I have no problem with complaining, but imagine the ref's perspective when you complain EGo! You're being demonstrative with the big actions... they're most likely going to retaliate. That's what people do when they're being defensive. I wish EGo would take a little Art of Complaining from John Wall. He seems like buddies with half the refs in the league.
     
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  18. Easy

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    How about LeBron?

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    whiners win. 2002 kings should have whined louder
     
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  20. daywalker02

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    Basketball forums got the loudest whiners IMO beside fun loving Eric Gordon.
     
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