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2nd Trump Impeachment Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jan 6, 2021.

  1. No Worries

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    Reason #432 on why I love the Internet.

    DJT should sue for defamation. I love to hear more about DJT getting kicked in the balls, hard.
     
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    Wait, what... the daily caller?

     
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    It's scary the allegiance that these individuals have to this man.
     
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    Martyrs gotta martyr.

     
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    What's next? ... Powerlineblog? :eek:
     
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    Call the chump and take him up on it, Mr. trump. Thanks in advance.
     
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    What makes you believe it's defamation any more than her case that he raped her being made into Trump saying she's a liar? That, or all the other cases he denied. Maybe he's afraid to have his DNA in a criminal database for past or future investigations or crimes. Who knows, but nothing Trump says is believable.
     
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    Sure you would Matt.....how convenient you say that a week before the trial, your all talk and blow. Do us all a favor and follow through on this lie....the GOP lies so much I think they start to believe there own BS
     
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    I sure hope this trial brings out some of the most disturbing stuff they haven't made public. Republican voters need to WAKE UP and see how dangerous and radical their "Conservative Party" really is. Time for God loving Christians to see that their chosen one is anything but a man with good Christian values.
     
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    Hunter Biden

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    I don't know why it took so long but I had a light go off in my head, the GOP does not even try to represent and pass just laws anymore all they do anymore is talk bad about people and accuse the democrats of being leftist crazy poopy heads who will steal there guns, drink the blood of babies, crash the stock market and STEAL your freedoms.........they don't actually stand for anything, no ,hey lets rebuild our infrastructure, hey lets help the needs of the people........its all just criticize, demean people, lie............oh and not just lie but lie biggly :D and to even think they will deal with their BS response of 1/3 of what needs to go out for COVID help is absurd.......F^&%$ the lot of them, there mostly.....not all, full of trump Kool-Aid, lets ram this mother through. I do agree not all of us need a check, I wish they could funnel it to the people who need it the most
     
  16. Invisible Fan

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    What do you want to be when you grow up, Billy?
    The President!
    Oh Billy (nervous chuckle) have you thought about being a fireman?
    Not what you think silly old man! I'm stealing **** on the sly and gettin mines. White collar crime is where it's at!

    Litman: Trump's impeachment defense is threadbare and irrelevant. But he'll probably win. - Los Angeles Times

    President Trump’s hastily assembled impeachment legal team has submitted written arguments in his defense that are threadbare, amateurish and replete with irrelevancies.

    Nonetheless, as it stands Trump figures to walk out of the Senate a winner.

    On Tuesday, the House impeachment managers filed a persuasive and on-point 80-page brief. It spends 35 pages on a methodical account of facts and evidence that draws a direct — and hard to refute — connection between Trump’s conduct starting in late December and the violent storming of the Capitol that stunned the nation Jan. 6.

    At the same time, the House managers eloquently invoke the broader themes of constitutional principle and historical purpose that justify the House’s impeachment resolution and show that the process Congress is now engaged in is deeply consequential to the republic.

    Trump’s lawyers, on the other hand, seem to have gotten lost on their way to offering a hasty initial defense for a minor offense in a state trial court, “answering” the House allegations in rote fashion: Their client denies all wrongdoing. The brief’s response to the contents of the article of impeachment against Trump is mostly “the 45th president denies.”

    The shortcomings of the response may reflect delicate negotiations with a truculent client, one who couldn’t come to terms with a different legal team over the weekend. The departed attorneys, according to unnamed sources, refused to commit professional suicide by affirming the Trumpian lie that the 2020 presidential election was stolen.

    The new Trump team, not surprisingly, isn’t pursuing the Big Lie either. Not only would it ensnare them in falsehoods (when attorneys lie professionally, they can lose their licenses), but it would also add to the contention that Trump supported, even encouraged the insurrection and that it was justified. In other words, it would hurt his case, not help it.

    Instead, the former president’s defense rests on a blizzard of nonsense. The brief asserts, for example, that because Trump is out of office, the House’s article of impeachment is “moot and a non-justiciable question” — a court can’t decide it. In fact, most questions in the impeachment realm are “non-justiciable” because the Constitution commits them not to the courts but to the political system, the Senate, for a final decision. What the Senate as a body says about when an impeachment trial can take place, in other words, goes.

    The brief further argues that Trump’s incendiary rhetoric Jan. 6, which the House cites to justify “incitement to insurrection,” was “protected speech,” and that the impeachment violates Trump’s right to “free speech and thought.” That’s another swing and a miss.

    The 1st Amendment has no applicability to an impeachment charge. Many, if not most, impeachable offenses by their nature are “speech.” For example, President Nixon’s command to the FBI to stand down in investigating the Watergate affair. The House can surely pursue impeachment if a president’s speech abrogates the president’s duty to uphold and defend the Constitution.

    It only gets worse from there.

    Trump’s lawyers say the House deprived their client of “due process” by “rushing to issue the Article of Impeachment,” and that a single article of impeachment can’t be valid because it covers multiple actions. Both concepts, again, are borrowed from criminal law; they have no relevance to impeachment. And even if we read the “due process” complaint metaphorically, it’s obvious that Trump is being afforded ample notice and opportunity to defend himself.

    The defense also tries to claim that the House impeachment resolution is a “bill of attainder,” a law passed specifically to target an individual for criminal prosecution. Bills of attainder are prohibited by the Constitution, but the brief is grasping at straws. Under its tortured reasoning, any impeachment would qualify as a bill of attainder.

    That leaves one final defense. It too is errant, but it is likely to carry the day. In the Tuesday filing, it’s the bare assertion — with no argument from text, structure or history — that the Constitution itself does not permit the Senate to try an official whose term has expired.

    But as I’ve said, along with a majority of constitutional scholars, it’s the Constitution that leaves it to the Senate to decide this issue. In at least two historical instances, senators have already allowed impeachment trials to go forward even after the defendant was “removed.” It did it again just days ago by rejecting Sen. Rand Paul’s point of order that sought to dismiss Trump’s second impeachment trial before it could begin.

    That’s the right result under constitutional text, practice and history. The House managers’ brief adds to the point with a nice reference. Article 1, they wrote, gives the Senate “sole power to try all impeachments.” Trump was duly impeached by the House, ergo the Senate can try him.

    Still, the vote count on Paul’s point of order showed that the “it’s too late” constitutional argument will probably attract sufficient support to prevent Trump’s conviction. A majority of Republican Senators appear ready to ignore text and precedent — as well as the violence they witnessed and lived through — because blindness will give them a way to wriggle out of passing judgment on Trump’s behavior.

    It is a shame, literally, that any Republican senator would shirk their duty to pass judgment on the merits of the case against Trump. As was true in the 45th president’s first impeachment, Senate Democrats are left to play to the court of history. There they will prevail.
     
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  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Trump could mount no defense, and might actually be better off if he didn't, and still wouldn't be convicted. While that will be a personal victory I for Trump I don't see it as vindication nor should Republicans celebrate. We've only had four presidential impeachments in US history with Trump having two. Impeachment has always been a very high bar and even if Trump wins he could still very likely end up having the most votes to remove of any prior President. As is he is the first President to have a member of his own party to vote for removal and there are likely a few who will vote that way in this impeachment.
     
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  18. deb4rockets

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    It's nauseating really.
     
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  19. saitou

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    While politics theatre is impt I hope dems use this opportunity to do good as well, they have house, Senate, wh, no more excuses, beat the covid, infra spending, stim checks, green energy, decrim mj. Very optimistic, hope they don't waste this opportunity.
     

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