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Deshaun Watson Trade Packages

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Shark44, Jan 28, 2021.

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Which trade package do you like best?

  1. NYJ

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    53.1%
  2. MIA

    30 vote(s)
    26.5%
  3. JAX

    24 vote(s)
    21.2%
  4. Other (state your preference in a post)

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    8.8%
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  1. cmoak1982

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    I’m not as big on him as I am Wilson but I’d rather them both over Fields
     
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  2. gucci888

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    If we were to get both of the Jets or Dolphins first round picks, wouldn’t be opposed to trading back a few spots, drafting Devonte Smith and then Jones with the latter. Jones seems to be trending up into the first half of the round though.
     
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  3. J.R.

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    Lance’s role as a leader extends off the field, too. He’s a regular in NDSU’s community outreach programs and has been active in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes since high school. “He will tell you that Jesus is his best friend,” Angie Lance said.

    ...

    “Football is not who I am, it’s what I do,” Lance told Yahoo Sports. “I’m obviously going to put everything possible into it because that’s what I love to do. But at the end of the day, I think God put that in my plan to use it as my platform.”

    Lance, who calls himself a “Child of God” in his social media bios, hosted Bible studies on Zoom.

    He enjoys going to children’s hospitals and reading at local schools, and in high school, Lance was a leader in his local chapter of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes.

    “[Lance’s] identity is not being a football player,” Southwest Minn. FCA staff member Robin Knudson told Yahoo. “It comes from something greater. That helps him stay grounded.”

    Wherever Lance finds himself in the months ahead, he knows God will still be right there with him, guiding him along.

     
  4. Nimo

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    Players almost never throw their coaches under the bus. It is even more rare in the NFL. I haven't heard any of the Texans call OBrien a bad coach. So your indictment should go to the whole team.

    If management didn't want hiring advice from him then they shouldn't have told him they would take hiring advice from him. Go figure.
     
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  5. Nimo

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    We're doomed.
     
  6. JayZ750

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    rinse, wash, repeat. I get it. You’re good with the player not saying the truth (and in fact lying when asked about it) but not the other way around.

    never mind the fact that DW IS SAYING SOMETHING.... right now!! So let’s not pretend he’s just a guy that won’t say anything. Convenient that he signed a mega extension just a few months back...
     
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  8. Nimo

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    I DIDNT SAY HE WAS LYING. I'm not sure where you're getting that.

    From what we have heard, his problem is with management not with anyone on the coaching staff. What he said about his coaches then doesn't have a lot to do with his trade requests now. And honestly I don't think OB was a horrible HC. He definitely was a horrible GM and he needed a real OC, but players loved playing for him. He was a players coach, or at least he tried to be. Things went south when he put his GM hat on.

    I for one credit Deshaun for not coming out and blasting anyone on the Texans publicly. Even the reports and rumors we hear aren't specific enough about one individual. There has to be a lot he have issues with for him to want to leave. I know some would rather he just blasted the Texans, but that would just make things worse.

    Even you have to admit that things are very different from when he signed his contract. Aside from his first losing season and the first time not making the playoffs in his whole career, there are other factors that make him think twice about spending the rest of his career in Houston.
     
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  9. Nook

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    Possible but I think they would fall in love with Lance’s personality. Wilson has a little Hollywood to him.
     
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  10. Nimo

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    From Peter King
     
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  11. JayZ750

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    Bill O'brien was a bad coach. There's not getting around that. He wasn't on his way to SB gloried but for his GM - himself - getting in his way.

    When the Texans lost to the Chiefs last year, no one was saying, IF ONLY coach O'brien had a great GM!!!

    **** no. We were all lamenting what we knew was going to happen going into the game. O'brien was going to screw up somehow coaching... because that's kind of what he does. And that's EXACTLY what he did. It was a horrible coaching performance. There are threads and threads filled with pages on it.

    To the extent he had success here as a coach is because he coached not to lose, and in a **** division where most other coaches are coaching to win, he was able to squeeze in division wins.

    Most everyone on this board knew O'brien was a horrible coach for years.

    Look he's not coming out and ******** on the organization!!!

    Oh... wait... he's coming out through his agents with a coordinated campaign to get him out of there by blaming it on the Texans "organization"... so he's doing exactly that... hmmm... and he apparently has the Jets as one of his preferred destinations, lol.

    Things aren't very different. Almost EVERYTHING that had happened to the Texans happened BEFORE he signed his contract. The exceptions are (1) the **** season - which was a function of the fact that the players suck on the whole, which we kind of knew going into the season as O'brien had gutted the team of talent.... BEFORE Watson signed his extension....

    and ... (2) the GM/head coaching search...

    and this is the first confirmation that HE WAS consulted on it. So he's upset he didn't get to get HIS GUY. Which we kind of know anyway because of an apparent desire to go to the Jets - LOL - who have Saleh - who all reports indicate is the/a guy Watson wanted, along with what we had previously heard about EB.

    And look, should Watson have maybe been consulted even more? Sure. If your desire is not to piss off a guy who is kind of pissed off, rightly or wrongly, you continue to consult him.

    But if the owner ultimately wants to choose Casiero, for whatever reason, that's who the owner chooses. And that might be CRAZY, but it's a little hard to take as crazy from a guy who (1) just signed a MEGA extension months earlier, when Easterby had been there for a while at that point and the ownership was the same, and (2) according to you, and his own quotes, thought Bill O'brien was fine. When asked after the Chiefs loss if O'brien was the right coach for the future DW said

    “No doubt. You might have doubt, but I don’t. I love that man. Y’all can say whatever y’all want to say through the media and all the writing, but as long as I’m at quarterback, he’s cool with me. He’s got my heart and he’s going to get my 110 percent every time I step on that field. So y’all can say whatever, but I’m always going to be rooting for that man and going to play hard for him.”

    We all knew he was a horrendous coach at that point. Like REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad... did you watch that Chiefs game, lol.

    So DW was either 'sticking by his coach' and 'not rocking the boat' cause that's the type of guy he is - meaning he really didn't think O'brien was the guy but was LYING and continued to not speak up at that time and through the signing of his mega extension...

    OR... he thought Bill O'brien was a great coach, lol, like he said, which would be sign #1 to me not to let DW have "his way" when it comes to executive hires cause no one could have objectively thought that Bill O'brien was good at his job.

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    Look, do I think the Texans are idiots as an organization? Absolutely. Do I want Easterby as part of management - from the sounds of it, no, who would.

    But the Texans are owned by the McNairs and that ain't changing. And Easterby, for the time being, is part of the organization. As he was a full year before DW signed his extension. The time for DW to extert his pressure to get what he wanted was CLEARLY LAST OFFSEASON, shortly after the loss to the Chiefs, BEFORE Bill O'brien ruined the team and BEFORE he signed his MEGA extension.

    To not do it then, to say THE EXACT OPPOSITE and support O'brien, to CONTINUE to express that support for the organization by signing the mega extension, then for that support to quickly be shown to be misguided with the **** season and then asked to be consulted on the GM search, to be consulted, but apparently not consulted enough lol....

    It's a very confused power play that comes off 1,000% as he wants his cake and to eat it too, he made his bed but doesn't want to sleep in it, etc.

    Which is why i simplified it for you. Did DW really think Bill O'brien was "THE GUY" or not when he said he was?
     
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    Agreed

    But does taking advice mean you have to hire Watson's guy?

    Cal shouldn't have ever put Watson on the hiring committee because it apparently gave Watson the impression that he was calling the shots when it came to hiring the GM/HC.
     
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    What's different since he signed his extension?

    Cal is still the owner and Easterby's still Cal's right hand man. They were chasing Caserio before Watson signed his extension. The only differences I see are 1. Watson got paid, 2. Cal foolishly put Watson on the hiring committee which gave Watson the impression that he was going to get to pick the next HC/GM of the Texans.

    If there are any other changes please let me know what they are.
     
  14. Nimo

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    TLDR

    Watson obviously did not have a problem with O'Brien and didn't have a problem with Kelly. I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. Blame him for that if you want, but players rarely throw their coaches under the bus. All Watson said was they need a culture change; didn't specify who needed to leave.

    If you consider what he is doing as dumping on the organization then you must not be paying attention. Even the reports from his agent or whoever aren't as bad. The worst is that they promised he would be a part of the decision and then they just left him out. The information about Easterby hopping on the plane to Caserio after the Khan interview came from the likes of Aaron Wilson and McClain, I doubt that came from the agent. This is worse. But even that seems like just the needle that broke the camel's back. Dude obviously has issues with management and we don't know ALL the reasons why.
     
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    Is this kid still throwing a tantrum about having to do the job he signed up for less than a year ago?

    I honestly don't know why you guys keep giving this drama queen this kind of attention. His request will be denied and he'll have to dry his eye and do his job or retire.....which is as it should be.
     
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    What's different is Jack Easterby. Jack has obviously rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and it got worse recently. Andre's quitting and then his tweet is a hint. The SI article gave us more. And the biggest difference is losing. He mentioned this is the first time in his career where he started most of the games and didn't make it to the post-season. Losing causes problems to rise to the top. Winning in the past masked the problems.
     
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    This is the part of what you said that is accurate. For the first time in his football life, things got hard and the second that happened, Watson's true character was revealed unfortunately.

    When his football life was a cake walk, he was one person, the second it was a struggle, he showed who he really is.
     
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  18. JayZ750

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    How is the reason i keep bringing it up not obvious?

    If DW didn't have a problem with Bill O'brien, I don't want DW ANYWHERE NEAR making executive hiring decisions.

    Bill O'brien was horrible in every way.
     
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  19. Nimo

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    That's irrelevant because he didn't ask to be involved in making hiring decisions. They invited him and then ignored him, that is the problem. All they had to do was tell him "Hey we are going to do our best to hire the best coach to make our team successful" and then "Hey Deshaun FYI we are offering XXX the job, we feel he gives our team the best chance to win". That should be common sense.
     
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    No, the problem was he wanted to be the guy to name who was hired and fired and he was ONLY given "input". He gave his input, and they opted to go a different direction, so he threw a temper tantrum.
     
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