This is more fun than watching a bunch of mindless 3 pointers

On the chart you posted from the last game we took 12 (technically 13). That’s supposed to be proof we are playing Moreyball?

I think what we are trying to point out here is that there isn’t going to be a strict mandate against mid range. Some charts will look more Morey-ish than others.

 

I feel like I should start yelling about "Nam", "You weren't there", and "Being in the s***"

 

Now you've done it.

#Science

 

LOL

 

I couldn't agree more.

In times in previous years we were struggling with Harden, people complained about how D'antoni sucks, Moreyball doesn't work, Harden iso show is boring and predictable. Then we started sharing the ball more, ran more plays, Harden distributed the rock more just like everyone wanted...our kinda offense was the worst it's been in 5 years. Then everyone complained how Harden needs to be more aggressive LOL.

Our defense is really solid, but our offense has a lot of work to do. The 35 PPG Harden-ball wasn't so bad on offense after all...

 

There's a lot of context missing from your stats here. What distance are these shots and what kind of shots are they?

That the Rockets took more midrange shots adding CP3 and Westbrook shouldn't be a surprise seeing these are both players that played in the midrange.

Again, just posting the numbers isn't enough. That's how you come to the conclusion that Dmo only took 2-3 threes a game because the stats don't consider when he's standing around spotting up.

 

Lol, the whole "He's a bad shooter" argument is bad because a week ago C.Wood was a bad shooter from 3. Yet he still took it...and it raised his %.

There are good shots and there are bad shots and this is not dependent on shooting %s. This is dependent on what the coach sees in practice and what the coach believes to be a good shot. The reason Harden took so many step backs is because the coach trusted him to do so and it had to do with the coach trusting him to make that shot. So even if he had a bad shooting night you still live with him taking the shot, right?

Wood can take these shots because he's a good shooter with good form, guys are going to cover him, sometimes though he has a big on him that isn't willing to come out and that's a benefit for him.

So the point here being saying "He shouldn't take the shot because of his %s are low" is silly. Using this logic, he should have gave up on his 3 point shot a week ago when his % was hovering around 33 and 34%...thank God he didn't and his coach still trust and allow him to take that shot.

 

He was a good three point shooter last year too.

Right? But Russ took stupid mid range shots he was horrible at and never should have done so here. Players can get better by cutting out poor shot selection. Im very sure Silas would love to see Woods stop taking those shots.

His form? Eh? Idk Im not a shooting coach, also his mid range is not good. I doubt he will be a 50% shooter from there because well...he isnt so far. Like you are acting like his points come of one one isos and they dont, he gets his shots withthin the flow of the offense. Every time someone gives him the ball and he tries to iso, it ruins the flow. Like, it does nothing for you. Ive watched the Rockets all season. Its a bad shot. It does nothing for the team. And we arent taking as much this year. You saw the numbers. Idk what context you are looking for as a mid range shot is a mid range shot. Silas doesnt like them. He said it with his own mouth.

Well for one, he was good three point shooter last year, for two for our 5 out spacing to work, he HAS to make the defense respect him from there to make our offense work. Its why his offense in Dallas was so good. They utilized 5 out spacing really well. His mid range shot utilizes nothing, its just a black hole play and it sucks.

 

No, Silas didn't say that. He said they work on mid range shots because sometimes the situation calls for it.

Does not equate to "I do not like mid-range shots." in fact it sounds quite like the opposite.

Like you dudes are just posting numbers but missing context. Saying "They take X amount proves they play like the Rockets." No, no it doesn't.

Because we know GSW also takes the same kind of shots as MDAs Rockets did but they used motion offense to do so and that their offense was vast different from the Rockets. That they took a similar amount of threes proves...that they took a similar amount of threes.

 

Why did you cut out the first part of that quote? You know what he said bro, cmon.

“We’re kind of staying away from the mid-range, although it is something we work on a little bit just because of when it counts the most,” Silas said. “Fourth quarter and you need a bucket, you might have to go to the mid-range and that’s something you worked on." He really means the 4th quarter.

I gave you full context. And in Dallas, where he was the O-coordinator, they were in the bottom half of the league of mid range shots attempted and they did not like post ups. We arent taking that much more mid range than last year. Its not a significant amount. Im sorry but it just isnt. Ive watched all our games and we have the numbers.

They didnt, they took mid range shots, especially with Durant. They have three of the best shooters ever, they can do what they want. We took more threes then them really. Our offense is more like the last years Rockets than it is like the Warriors for whatever that is worth.

 

Because that part doesn't change what he said? He didn't say "I dislike mid-range shots" he said exactly what people have been saying, you need it. He didn't say we're not taking Mid-range shots, that they aren't useful. You literally said a page or so ago "They are bad shots" is that what he said? No, he said the exact opposite, that there will be a time when they are useful and so we work on them. You're saying we shouldn't even work on them because they aren't useful.

What he said directly contradicts your argument. He's saying we take mid-range shots because they will be needed. Also, he wasn't the coach in Dallas. Carlisle doesn't like the post game anymore, whatever, that's his issue.


Our offense isn't anything like it though lol. We have way more ball movement and less iso.

They were bottom in the NBA in off-screen plays last year. 2.7. This year 4.3 which is around the middle. I guess it'll go up as the Rockets shift more and more to more motion as Silas gets his team doing what he envisions.

Last year...22.6 possessions in Isolations...this year...10.8

Last year 11.3 for pnr ball handler, this year...18.4 and this kind of difference is similar for possessions with the roll man.

These numbers show that the reason people are saying "This looks different" because it actually is different. The stats show there's less ISO and more motion and that's a huge difference.

Whether that's better or worse, that's arguable and I think depends on the roster any way but there is a difference to how they are playing.

 

maaaan does @HP3 even ball?

 

Harden tripple step back 3 pointer, jump into defender's arms and the foul!!!

 

#Science around 1500 a.d.

 

Personally I have more fun when I believe the team has a shot to win it all. But it's certainly good to see Christian Wood exceeding expectations. I literally don't care what style of basketball we play so long as we win.

 

I prefer a team have an intelligent shot chart....but what makes this team so much more fun to watch is that they aren't lazy. One thing that was common to all Harden Rockets teams was that they'd get lazy and no-show games or that they'd get a big lead and piss it away due to inconsistent effort.

These guys all have something to prove and they are giving it their all on just about every play. After years of watching teams that needed a heart transplant, it's VERY refreshing.....even if they aren't quite as talented as some of our lazy teams in the past were.

 

It’s good to have an actual coach again

 

yes but you also need to be coachable
we had the same coach before harden trade and it was a near disaster

 

Yeah but that's due to Harden actively sabotaging the team. It's no so much a "coachability" problem as the inherent problem of having a star player with shortcomings when it comes to character.

Getting rid of him did wonders for the team as a whole.....but if he was a better person, the current roster could have been a championship favorite. It's just how it goes.