..... I am pointing out that your examples are wrong. Only the warriors out of the three were a bottom 4 team. Which is the point of this thread. Teams, organizations tank by having and building a terrible roster. The point of my post isn't against tanking it's against unrealistic expectations on coaches and players to tank. The mavs warriors had terrible rosters, they couldn't win no matter what lineup was played... so they played what they had and "tank". Your other example the 14 heat are similar to this year's rockets. They aren't really good nor are they bad. They have aging vets/stars like bosh, wade and dragic. Rockets have wall, gordon, tucker. Expecting teams like that to somehow magically be one of the worst team in the nba is unrealistic. Which is why they finished 37-45 and the rockets are likely to similarly finish close to .500
how many teams should tank? i guess around 20-25 teams what are other teams to do in the meantime... should league be canceled then and players redistributed and the league started anew?
It's like the knicks this season. Imo and likely the knicks front office, they would probably be better off "tanking" and being a bottom 3 to 7 team. But once the players and coaches are competing and winning out on the court. It is ridiculous to somehow ask or expect them to tank. How? In what manner are you going to go about doing so.
Just because I like a post, doesnt mean I agree with everything in it. Then there are teams like the Spurs who arent close to a championship. There are teams like Orlando. There are teams right now who most likely wont win anything. Because they really dont have the guy. They have are going at it half way. If you have bad management you wont be tanking long. I dont know how many times i have to tell you this. Your way is also way more of an empty promise, Im just picking the route with the best odds, nothing is a guarantee.
They have had bottom four teams and their coaches have kept their jobs. Carlise deliberately leaned into that process. They had 33 wins the previous year with a similar roster. That was the plan, I gave you a link with the owner saying it openly. The Mavs were a bottom 4 team. That is what they were, I just checked the standings that year. Our roster isnt good enough to where little tweaks cant make us a losing team in the bottom 4. There was also the year Wade got injured and the Heat ended up having the Worst record in the league, Spols kept his job. Expecting it? No. I dont expect it. Is it the smart way....yes, it is. There are things you can do and everyone being scared of "consequences" are just being scared, thats it.
. Again you listed those examples. Examples you claimed showed coaches and players tanking, yet only one of those team even received a bottom 4 pick. The link of cuban's comment isnt in opposition to my argument. I've stated again and again, organizations tank, but only by having terrible, young or injured rosters. They don't ask their coaches or players to somehow magically turn a winning or average team into a bottom 3 team. You keep saying it is the smart way. "That there are things you can do..." What specific way are you talking about? What things? As for fearing consequences, I don't recall mentioning any EXCEPT that I'd imagine Silas wouldn't want to purposely coach poorly or tell his players to lose since I cant imagine that would be beneficial for his career. Also IMO a coach telling his team of vets to purposely lose isnt a good thing nor will it likely go well.
They drafted Donic the year prior. https://www.espn.com/nba/standings/_/season/2018/group/league This is the season I was referring to, this where they tanked to get donic in the next draft. They were bottom 4 right here. Well we were discussing wether coaches would keep their jobs if they decided to tank. But it really makes no difference here, if you are bad, you are bad. Its semantics at this point because you are losing ball games. The point is, they werent on the choping block just because they were losing games. He did though. He deliberately told his guys, look we arent really making the playoffs, lets lose as much as we can. Not completely synonymous with our situation. But I see no reason why Tillman cant do the same. Im not expecting it to happen though. Which is why I would like for us to lose. Playing Cousins more, Playing Mason Jones more(he should be playing him more regardless), Putting Woods and Cousins together. Playing Gordon less. Its simple. We have barely beat a number of bad teams over this stretch, its not THAT difficult. Silas dosent have to tell them anything. Tanking isnt a very nice process, but it is necessary. Silas can handle it for year if ownership and management are on board. And if not, they need to trade these vets as soon as possible while not trying to win as much as possible before the deadline. Its fine man, you've made your points. Im not saying what will happen, Im saying what I'd like to happen. I think the "consequences" arent that big of deal for the bigger picture
No, too many BUSTS in the NBA draft these days....tanking doesn't work. Tanking is too boomer - the new way is to collect picks and trade them for players that are just coming into their own......as Harden was..... DD
Tilman could say anything he wants. Whether the players or Silas or the media or anyone takes him at his word is another matter. So according to you, if Silas simply plays Cousins more and plays Mason Jones more the Rockets who are currently the best defensive team in the league since the trade and 8-9 over all, 6-3 when Harden doesn't play will suddenly become worst than 27 other teams. How many more minutes does Cousin/Jones need to play for this to happen? Didn't Cousins just performed exceptionally well in big minutes? Weren't many on the board calling for Cousins and woods together to HELP the team a few weeks ago. Suddenly these changes will turn the average rockets team to 27 or 28th worst in the nba? Short of straight up benching Gordon/Tucker/Wall/Dipo etc I don't see these minimal moves having such significant impact. Trading these vets as soon as possible sounds great. How many first round draft picks should the Rockets give to get out of Gordon's contract? Walls? Should they just give Tucker and Oladipo to anyone asking right now, irregardless of if they can get better deals later on? Again, I'm not against tanking. Im simply lost at how you do so with a this or any other good/average team and roster. Expecting Silas and the players to suddenly go from maybe good to absolutely terrible is unrealistic. I've literally never heard of something like that happening before barring injuries or a star's trade demand.
That's fair. We arent even that good. This 4 game win stream is us beating Detroit by one point, beating Dallas with multiple players out(who arent ranked high offensively), barely beat Washington until the end, and barely beat Portland who was having the same problem as Dallas. Yea I think playing Demarcus more minutes will help. For the most part, Demarcus has been pretty bad for us. He'll have games where he will pop off, but for the most part he isnt a net positive out there. They can clammor for two bigs in the lineup, but you and I both know thats not a good lineup....or at least I dont think it is. Tucker and Dipo will be traded by the deadline...I hope. And I hope that we are still out of the playoffs as well. Mason Jones I just think needs more playing time regardless. Gordon will take longer, but the way he's playing we might be able to get a good deal for him. Wall will be here, but Im not worried about Wall winning us games. Tucker's value....doesnt seem like it will get bigger. He's got the worst advanced metrics on our team, he isnt being utilized in Silas's offense...maybe that will change idk. It doesnt look good. Well the simple way to say this is, you dont. You are absolutely right, it wont happen. If these guys play hard every night, they can make a run at the 8th seed. But its still really early, and just some tweaks can lose us close games while maintaining an air like we are trying. Its probably not gonna happen without actively trying to do it. Silas isnt gonna tank, I just wish the organization would. Because frankly being a bottom feeding playoff team does nothing for us. The smart idea is to tank. And I dont really care about our "Vets" like Wall being upset because frankly he has no value here and wont until maybe the last year of his contract. Gordon doesnt want to be in a rebuild. Tucker is gone for sure. Oladipo is gone for sure. Demarcus is here for one year. Why should the Rockets care about upsetting them at all? Even Silas were to hypothetically lose the locker room, these players are not in the long terms plans so I dont see how it matters at the moment.
This is a circular argument so I've completely disregarded it. Teams that have BAD management can still get lucky for example, look at KGs wolves, look at ADs Pels, look at Lebron's first years with the Cavs... How is that possible? Oh, because picking a superstar player is super lucky. A guy can have all the talent in the world and can be destroyed by injuries or just not have the will or drive to be great.
mavericks have Luka and still going NOWHERE...still losing left and right(13th in the western conference), was luka a top 4 pick? asking for a friend
Not at all, the point isn't trying to "tank" for a top 4 pick but to start the process for next two seasons by moving Tucker and Dipo by the deadline. I'm perfectly fine with getting with #11 plus whatever else shakes out. You are way too dogmatic. This is the perfect time to start bottoming out.
