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Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

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  1. NewRoxFan

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    Who woulda think?



    https://www.alreporter.com/2021/01/...s-hotel-on-jan-5-despite-him-denying-meeting/
     
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  2. Dubious

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    The smoking gun



    Here’s the Jan. 4 memo from former acting Defense Secretary requiring “personal authorization” for DC National Guard to employ riot control agents & other tactics at Jan. 6 “March for Trump.” This same day Capitol police knew of a “strong potential” for violence against Congress. https://t.co/imPfrBC6SF
     
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  3. Dubious

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    Asha Rangappa

    5. use his official authority to permit the National Guard and other reinforcement mechanisms to protect the official and constitutional functions of a coequal branch of government. In so doing, he violated his oath of office.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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  6. NewRoxFan

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    Unfortunately, this would have carried more weight if Cantor was currently in office, but...


    Many of my fellow politicians won’t tell voters the truth. The result was Jan. 6.
    Telling the public only what it wants to hear is no way to keep democracy going

    In the fall of 2013, in the middle of what was at the time the second-longest government shutdown in American history, Republican leaders in Congress kept asking each other one question: “How did we end up here?” That is also the question I have had in recent weeks, especially as I witnessed the violent attack on our Capitol and our democracy on Jan. 6.

    The answer is the same in both cases: an unwillingness to speak truth to power. In businesses, employees speak truth to power when they deliver unwelcome facts to their bosses. In government, appointed officials do that when they tell elected leaders something they don’t want to hear. But in a democracy, the people are the ultimate source of power. Our elected officials work for us, and they fail us when they decline to tell us truths that we, the people, don’t want to hear. Even worse, they fail us when they set up false expectations we desperately want to believe.

    Back in 2013, the expectation was that the Republican-controlled House of Representatives could force the Democratic-controlled Senate to pass — and compel President Barack Obama to sign — a repeal of his signature health-care initiative. This false narrative started with a few outside groups like Heritage Action and Tea Party Express arguing that the barrier to repealing Obamacare wasn’t the president; it was elected Republicans who were unwilling to fight hard enough. These groups purposely ramped up expectations, overpromising, even knowing that the end result would under-deliver.

    Conservatives have traded periodic revolts for a permanent revolution

    At first, this was a political headache for me and my colleagues: Few elected Republicans wanted to spend much time or political capital refuting people who were part of the base. But then a small group of lawmakers in the House and the Senate, led by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), started telling the base what they longed to hear: that Republicans could indeed defund Obamacare simply by insisting on it as part of a larger annual government spending bill. These members, and indeed every other elected Republican, knew better, but very few were willing to say so. I had dozens of meetings with individual lawmakers, as well as group sessions, imploring my colleagues to take a different approach, because shutdowns don’t work. Often, these same members would leave the meetings and go on cable TV to talk about how leadership wasn’t fighting hard enough, and only they were. And the shutdown was born.

    This pattern repeated itself at a new level around the 2020 election. “Stop the Steal” narratives about widespread fraud, albeit without evidence, sought to undermine the results. Bloggers and certain friendly radio and TV shows didn’t need to worry about providing defensible facts or being confronted with the truth. Soon, President Donald Trump was talking about how the election could be overturned and awarded to the “true” winner — him — if only a secretary of state . . . or a governor . . . or the judges he appointed . . . or congressional Republicans . . . or the vice president would fight like he wanted them to. It was ultimately all political posturing, and I honestly don’t know if the president believed the story or not — but many in the GOP base did. Two-thirds of voters who are Republican or lean Republican have been misled into thinking that there is solid evidence of widespread fraud in the election, a Washington Post-ABC News poll found this month.

    A political litmus test for Republicans: Fail it, lose your TV slot

    To my fellow Republicans who hope that Trump’s departure from office will end this cycle, I would remind them that it started long before he descended the escalator in Trump Tower more than five years ago. And left unconfronted, it will continue long into the future.

    And to my Democratic friends who think this is a Republican problem, I say be careful. The same pattern is already unfolding on your side as progressive activists — joined by elected officeholders, including Reps. Pramila Jayapal (Wash.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.) and “the Squad,” with aspirations of higher office — tell tales of what Democrats could accomplish if only they were willing to fight and use their power.

    So how do we break the cycle? How do we persuade responsible elected officials to speak uncomfortable truths to the people they work for?

    In many ways, it is the classic prisoner’s dilemma. If the majority of Republican elected officials work together to confront the false narratives in our body politic — that the election was stolen (it wasn’t), that there is a QAnon-style conspiracy to uproot pedophiles at the heart of American government (there isn’t), that a Democratic-controlled government means the end of America (it doesn’t; it may produce worse policy, but the republic has survived 88 years of Democrats occupying the White House) — all Republicans will be better off. If instead most elected Republicans decide to protect themselves against a primary challenge through their silence or even their affirmation, then like the two prisoners acting only in their own interests, we will all be worse off. (The same holds true for Democrats.)

    The U.S. shows all the signs of a country spiraling toward political violence

    I am by nature an optimist, but I don’t think broken systems just fix themselves. It takes hard, uncomfortable work. Such work would be rewarded: Denouncing the false narratives and the conspiracy theories is the first step to winning back the college-educated, suburban and young voters Republicans have lost. Who knows, it might provide a path to a national popular-vote victory. Equally important in a representative democracy is how you earn the trust of voters, both those who support you and those who don’t.

    Most elected officials first run for office for the right reasons: They want to make big policy changes. But every big change has a cost, and if you aren’t willing to level with people about those costs — or anything else — don’t be surprised when they don’t trust you to make the change. You might just find that leveling with your constituents and getting to do big things is more rewarding than spewing a guaranteed applause line at a rally.

    Political parties and their leaders have a two options: Engage in the competition of ideas and solve problems while moving the country forward, or continue to promote disinformation and false narratives designed to undermine our democracy. The choice should be obvious.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...e38ff6-618a-11eb-afbe-9a11a127d146_story.html
     
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  7. Dubious

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    "Engage in the competition of ideas and solve problems while moving the country forward, or continue to promote disinformation and false narratives designed to undermine our democracy. The choice should be obvious."

    It's not. You can't engage if you aren't elected and Americans do not vote on long reasoned discussions that rationalize their disappointment. They vote on sound bites that reinforce their bias.
     
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    Nutty trump lawyer accusing the Lincoln Project of planning the attack on the capital. Of course... he can't name the person but claims he worked for Romney. Can't wait to see the lawsuits...

     
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  9. DaDakota

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    It is time for the new DOJ to start charging people, including Senators and Congress people if they incited or coordinated, or told people where Pelosi were during the riot...

    We need accountability and politicians are NOT going to do it themselves.....let's take it to court.

    DD
     
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  10. ArtV

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    What an a@@munch.

    Trumpers cry fake news but they are kings of fake news. They cried #StopTheSteal and they were the ones trying to steal the election - and did a piss poor job in the attempt. Now claim that the people that are trying to hold them accountable are the ones responsible.
     
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  11. Dubious

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    Even Bannon though Rudy was too far out there, hahahah
     
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    Next to Trump, Rudy is the biggest s***-bag on earth.

    We will never recover from what Trump's Presidency has wrought. In some form or fashion, we are left with the smell of Trump's sulfur.
     
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    Missing U: Tea Party
     
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    From Tea Party to T. Party...
     
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    blue lives matter tho :rolleyes:
     
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    Justin Stoll stood with supporters of former President Donald Trump on Jan. 6, recording video of rioters storming through barricades surrounding the United States Capitol.

    "We are at war at the Capitol," said Stoll, of Wilmington, in one of the videos he uploaded to his public YouTube channel. "Patriots have had enough. We have taken the Capitol."

    On Jan. 15, federal prosecutors charged Stoll, 40, with making interstate threats and tampering with a witness by threat. The charges stem from Stoll's alleged online threats to someone who commented about one of his videos of the Capitol riots, according to an affidavit filed by a Cincinnati FBI special agent.

    "Cool I'm glad I saved this video lol I hope you really went in the Capitol bldg. You'll have 10 years of free room and board waiting for you," wrote a viewer who posted a comment on one of the videos on Stoll's YouTube channel, according to the affidavit.

    Stoll responded in a video that included the viewer's comment, according to the affidavit.

    In the affidavit, the special agent described Stoll's demeanor in the video as "serious and aggressive."

    "If you jeopardize me, from being with my family, you will absolutely meet your mother f****** maker, and I will be the one to arrange it," said Stoll in the video, according to the affidavit.

    On YouTube, Stoll posted videos under the moniker Th3RealHuckleberry that show him referring to his followers as Huck's Army.

    Stoll also talked about his history as a law enforcement officer and veteran. As Huckleberry, he claimed to have his own army.

    In a video uploaded on Christmas Eve, Stoll urged his followers to pay his travel costs to Washington and help him find body armor.

    "I'm looking for tactical vests, plates, masks, things of that sort," Stoll said. "I have no problem going into battle. I've got no problem doing it naked if that's what you all want me to do, but let's find a way to get me to the battle first."

    Stoll frequently declared his support for Trump and his hatred of what he called "treasonous Democrats."

    In a Facebook post on June 22, Stoll wrote, "I've been ready my magazines are loaded. Lock them down mr. President." It was just one of Stoll's more than 80 posts that day on his public Facebook page.

    "I'm a veteran, patriot and ex-law enforcement," he said in a different July 9 video. "I'm hearing antifa wants to come out to rural America. I welcome that. We all do.

    "You won't make it to the edge of the property line before you hit that ground. Believe that s***. If you think your family's going to find you – that ain't going to happen either. We got hog farms on standby. Believe that s***. No one will ever know you existed. So, we welcome the war you want. Come see me," Stoll said.

    Pitcavage said that in the world of extremism, people "may have this alter-ego as an extremist where they believe they are big and influential and they may actually have followers."

    this loser is facing 25 years in prison

    he lives in a trailer park and looks like this...

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    these clowns really act like they’re at war and act like evil Democrats are taking away their livelihood...meanwhile, their savior Trump was in office for 4 years, and they still don’t have a dime in their pocket
     
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    Works his toothbrush more than his brains
     
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    looks like he’s been chewing rocks
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    FOX has knowingly fed them the evil democrats stuff for thirty years, and this clown is what happens. These clowns will keep happening as long as you can peddle infuriating, addictive lies for profit I guess.
     
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