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[TIMES UNION] New York underreported COVID-19 nursing home deaths by as much as 50%, AG report says

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  1. Rashmon

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    Unless you were an incompetent criminal president...
     
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  2. glynch

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    Sahmeful, but I saw this on Fox this morning. If it had been a Confederate State it would have not been an issue.
     
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  3. vlaurelio

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    good job NY AG now go after bigger fish

    but the hyprocricy from the right

    no testing no cases

    no death ceritificates no deaths
     
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  4. jiggyfly

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    Fake news?

    I'm confused are these deaths not really covid related or they are covid related and covid deaths are not being inflated for profit.

    Any Trumpers want to set me straight?

    @Salvy
     
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  5. ROXTXIA

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    Whatever the full truth of things, Cuomo and deBlasio each had some major f***-ups as far as the Covid crisis goes.
     
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  6. Salvy

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    What is your point? Cuomo and staff misrepresented Covid deaths in nursing homes, has this not been a thing since the pandemic started? Or wait you want me to admit Covid is real? Yeah I know its real and dangerous, that's why I wear a mask and take extra measures to try and not catch it or spread it. I have no idea if numbers are being inflated for profit or not, is that a thing?

    There is nothing to set you straight on, Cuomo is a corrupt politician and I'm not into conspiracy theories. Andrew Yang just decided to run for NYC thou so, hopefully he gets in? I like him, sort of.
     
  7. jiggyfly

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    My bad, I had you pegged wrong.

    Should not have tagged you.
     
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    Yang is a big Lin fan, I'm willing to look pass his lack of basketball knowledge
     
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    If any area where partisanship should be laid aside this should be one. The NY AG is doing the right thing and I'm hoping the CA AG looks into what Newsom is doing regarding lifting restrictions just when talk of recall is coming out. None of that excuses what is happening in red states and it's been shameful how DeSantis's administration has been manipulating numbers in FL. Sadly I don't expect FL AG Ashley Moody to looking into DeSantis or Paxton to do anything in TX.
     
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  10. Os Trigonum

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    "Andrew Cuomo’s bad ‘who cares’ answer on coronavirus nursing home data":

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...o-cares-answer-coronavirus-nursing-home-data/


    Andrew Cuomo’s bad ‘who cares’ answer on coronavirus nursing home data
    By
    Aaron Blake
    Jan. 29, 2021 at 5:09 p.m. EST

    New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) earned plaudits from his constituents for his early coronavirus pandemic response for one main reason: his willingness to level with them on the state of the threat and to — seemingly — address questions with candor and humility.

    That is decidedly not what happened Friday.

    Facing a brutal report from his own party’s state attorney general that said the state had undercounted nursing home deaths from the virus, Cuomo essentially argued that it’s neither here nor there.

    “Look, whether a person died in a hospital or died in a nursing home, it’s — the people died,” Cuomo said. “People died. ‘I was in a hospital, I got transferred to a nursing home, and my father died.' ‘My father was in a nursing home, got transferred to a hospital, my father died.’ People died.”

    It is true that the people died, and where or how they died doesn’t change that particular fact. But Cuomo repeatedly suggested that it’s of no concern — even saying at one point, defensively and ill-advisedly, “Who cares?”

    “But who cares? 33 [percent]. 28 [percent]. Died in a hospital. Died in a nursing home,” Cuomo said. “They died.”

    From a public policy perspective, we should care. A death is indeed a death, but there are major and very valid questions about whether nursing home policies led to unnecessary ones. To the extent that more deaths occurred in or came from that setting, it allows us to evaluate how significant that problem was and how much corrective action is needed. Cuomo has to know that.

    Indeed, this has long been a question when it comes to the initial response in the Northeast, which was particularly hard-hit at the start of the pandemic. So the idea that this data would be parsed should be no surprise. Questions about the accuracy of New York’s data on this front date back several months. Cuomo has dismissed them as politically motivated, but that defense suffered a major setback given the source of the report: his own party’s attorney general, Letitia James, whom he supported for that post.

    Does it mean New York was particularly derelict on this count? Not necessarily. But the relative deaths in nursing homes could provide clues about what to do moving forward, both at a state and national level. It also raises the very real prospect of a coverup, given how much of a negative narrative this was for so many months about his handling of the virus.

    The report suggests that the transparency Cuomo has played up hasn’t really taken place in New York. As the New York Times reported Thursday:

    … New York State attorney general, Letitia James, reported on Thursday morning that Mr. Cuomo’s administration had undercounted coronavirus-related deaths of state nursing home residents by the thousands.

    Just hours later, Ms. James was proved correct, as Health Department officials made public new data that added more than 3,800 deaths to their tally, representing nursing home residents who had died in hospitals and had not previously been counted by the state as nursing home deaths.

    The state’s acknowledgment increased the overall death toll related to those facilities by more than 40 percent. Ms. James’s report had suggested that the state’s previous tally could be off by as much as 50 percent.
    Elsewhere in his remarks, Cuomo suggested that New York was merely following federal guidance — while suggesting that he wasn’t actually casting blame elsewhere.

    “What I would say is, everyone did the best they could,” Cuomo said. “When I say the state Department of Health, as the report said … followed federal guidance — so if you think there was a mistake, then go talk to the federal government — it’s not about pointing fingers or blame. It’s that this became a political football, right?”

    But James’s report, notably, said the governor’s policy “may have put residents at increased risk of harm in some facilities.” It said halting testing in some nursing homes might have created misleading data.

    Cuomo added, while citing the death of his father, former governor Mario Cuomo (D), several years ago: “I understand maybe the instinct to blame or to find some relief for that pain that you’re feeling. But it is a tragedy. And it’s a tragedy that continues today. I believe everybody did the best they could.”

    There is indeed a tendency to try to look for people to blame in such situations. But that’s because something very bad has happened, and everyone in a position of power must be open to being second-guessed and to their claims and actions being subject to scrutiny. Instead, Cuomo suggested that this is much ado about nothing — which, regardless of his actual culpability for the bad data, is hardly the pittance he implied.
     
  11. Amiga

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    Tip of iceberg.

    DoJ and Congress needs to have an investigation into what all went wrong and accountability for lies and fraud. Federal and local levels. Accountability, lesson learned and better response need to be the result. Don’t think it couldn’t happen again and soon. Asia was more prepared because Sar1 scared the hell out of them a few years ago. What a shame if this event with so much death and loss go into the waste bin with no improvement. So yes, I’m glad NY Ag is doing the accountability thing here - but that should just be the tip of the iceberg.
     
  12. vlaurelio

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    while the rest of the counry had f*kdup worse since they didn't learn from these two
     
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  13. Newlin

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    I agree. But, across the entire nation we did a very poor job of protecting those that were most vulnerable to the virus. People in nursing homes just weren’t protected very well. It’s frustrating because we knew that the elderly were the most vulnerable long before the virus spread across America. We had the benefit of seeing how the virus impacted people in Asia and Europe. The very first major breakout in America was in a nursing home in Washington. Even with all that information we were slow to act in protecting the elderly in nursing homes.
     
  14. ROXTXIA

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    Some did learn.

    Others listened to Scott "Atlas Shrugged" and went for herd "mentality" (ahem....I'll give you a hint: obese, orange, autocratic, stupid, evil....)
     
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    Lock him up.
     
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    I imagine there were numerous deaths unreported these past 10 months. The death count for Covid is probably much higher than the numbers show. So many were never even tested when they died at home or in an ambulance prior so reaching a hospital. My cousin in Nebraska was one of them. Had all the symptoms and was found dead in her home last February after being sick with flu like symptoms. She wasn't even tested for Covid.
     
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    Will the Trump Troopers' attacks on America's Governor ever stop?

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  18. wompwomp

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    This really isnt that surprising if you look at this years death trend vs other years. Its happening all over the place. The bigger issue is if it was deliberate or how deliberate it was.
     

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