No its not. Your point was not relevant there. What? There are interviews, there is research, its not simply data crunching. There are ways to evaluate players for teams including their personality. They can do their research. You have to scout well. Dude.....DUDE i.......oh my god. Cmon man. ....cmon man.
Ellis was 24 and in his 5th year. Victor is 28 and in his 8th year. There is a big difference. I'm not saying get rid of Wood who is 25. He can tell young guys a lot about how to succeed in the NBA. McLemore and House are vets too they I don't think have to go. And you can add veterans down the road. We can bring in Stephen Jackson for 9 games to spit some knowledge.
Rubio was thought to be a generational superstar and was one of the best PG prospects to come into the NBA and no one would have picked Curry over him at the time. What hurt him was he couldn't shoot. They hoped he'd learn to shoot and...he never did...and so he's remained an NBA Journeyman, if he had a bigger stronger frame he could have beem more of a Rondo kind of PG but alas... Kawhi also had shooting concerns...he learned how to and became an elite player. These are things you can't really predict.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/208750-ricky-rubio-is-making-a-mockery-of-the-nba-draft BR seemed not to be that high on him around 2009.
Interviews and looking at a players background, that's it. That doesn't tell you what a player will be at all.
That's important. That helps. Teams dont get lucky multiple times, They draft well. They scout well. Its not a complete crap shoot. I cant believe I have to explain this. Think about long term man, not the short term. Let this "pride" and "spirit of the game" stuff go.
I remember the Rubio hype and it was justified at the time. I wasn't saying taking Rubio alone was a mistake. I was saying taking him and Flynn was a mistake. If you are going to pair two PGs at least take the guy that shoots lights out to pair with the guy that can't shoot yet. It was a dumb decision the minute it happened and almost nobody understood why they did it.
Serious trouble how? They are not winning a championship this year any ways and the kind of veteran leadership they add will do better for our young guy who wants to win. No one looked more pissed than Wood when we lose games but people want to put him through this just for a chance at a coin flip to get a top 4 pick...and its a coinflip chance, the odds are DRASTICALLY different now. The losing will also make sure that Silas loses the lockerroom and then maybe we'll go through the 'coaching' sift part of tanking where a team can never hang on to a coach because they always lose their lockerroom because their team isn't good enough to win with in the first place.
That's just someone that seems worried about international prospects more than anything but he was the first PG to come off the board. I don't hink anyone was drafting Curry over Rubio at the time...as for Flynn...well...who knows what happened there.
What young guys? Tate isnt that young and neither is Woods. Neither of them are number one options on a championship team, and both of them might not be here in 2026 when we likely have our first good draft pick. Coinflip is still not bad odds though. Okay, see....here is where the actual problem is. If there is tanking, you can bet the FO and coaching staff are both in on it. That's not how it should work. Silas is doing a nice job. He will be fine with the young guys.
Dude they are only competitive with teams that have many players out or have no shot at the playoffs. You have a warped view of what competitive means.
Serious trouble if those are the guys we need to keep on the team. You can find veteran players anywhere. Oladipo has value. PJ has value. Gordon might be playing himself into value. Cousins may as well recently. Wall we might be stuck with. If you can get anything for any of these guys you do it. None of them fit a rebuild and giving them minutes only takes away from minutes for younger guys. It could be a coin flip or maybe the Heat never turn things around and we get to keep our pick wherever it lands. The coach part is a valid concern but I value having a chance at high picks more.
It is though, you're forgetting that you have to win the right pick AND have to hope someone doesn't pick the guy before you. That is luck. It was lucky that the Wolves picked Flynn. It was lucky that the Kings talked themselves out of picking Luka. It was lucky that the 6ers picked Fultz and not Tatum. this is the part that you're missing. We can draft 4 and still get unlucky and get dealt the bad hand. I am thinking long term, long term it's better for the franchise to have an upstanding reputation and known as a place where if you want to win, you come here...not the reputation of Minny or Sactown You keep saying "They just are run bad" but it's not that simple. It's hard picking the right player, it's the hardest thing a GM does, Morey got it wrong more often than he got it right, this is true for most GMs, you're not even high on Stone so I have no idea why you think he'd hit right on a top 5 pick or that he'd even get a chance to.
I think with the way the lottery is now Tanking might not be the right term but you definitely have to be among the worst if that makes sense? You certainly are not getting somebody like Harden again and having a mediocre team.
This is the perfect description of the phrase "Luck Is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity." You have to put yourself in a situation to get lucky. If the Warriors battle for a playoff spot with veterans and pick at 12th they never get Curry.
That's the thing, the poster who broke the Oladipo trade has said over and over the Rockets aren't rebuilding and they aren't tanking. The article I posted talked about how tanking just isn't want it used to be, the odds no longer favor it, Silver hates it. Despises it. He forced a GM to resign over it and forced a team to play their best player to prevent it. It's only going to be harder and harder to build through tanking. That more teams are now doing what OKC/Miami are doing and that's more focused on just building a team and building up assets that way. This means winning. So Tate might become a valuable asset one day or Brown because maybe they play in the playoffs and have a big game? Raises their value...like it did for Herro and Duncan. If you can get a player like Herro for Dipo, you do it. If you can get a first rounder for Tucker, you do it, I agree there. Same for Ego, Wall...if it benefits the team in the long term you do it. But I'm not for getting rid of these guys JUST to get worse. I think that just forces you into being bad and with Silver making anti-tanking rules every season maybe we get in a hole that is harder and harder to get out of .
Makes perfect sense. I'm not really saying the Rockets should lose on purpose. I'm saying they should collect as many assets as possible to be able to find a star. Don't hold on to aging players that are not going to help you long term if you can get something for them.
I mostly agree but I would take it a step further. If you can get anything of value for any of those guys you do it. A first, a second, or a young player. All make more sense for the future. You can't take for a top 5 pick like you used to but the upcoming drafts are deep so anything in the top 10 is a win.
I think he was riding that Spanish wave with guys like Rudy Fernandez and Gasawl brothers. He was talented but I never recalled generational talent, I haven't even heard Pau being called generational and he was much better.
