1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

  2. Watching NBA Action
    Come join Clutch as we're watching NBA Play-In Tournament action live ...

    LIVE: NBA Playoffs!
    Dismiss Notice

DJT Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by seemoreroyals, Jan 22, 2021.

  1. seemoreroyals

    seemoreroyals Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2018
    Messages:
    1,483
    Likes Received:
    1,631
    After two wonderful nights sleep under the leadership of the Biden administration, I have been wracking my brain trying to think of anything good to say about trump and what he may be remembered for during his seemingly endless but single term in office. I sure there is more that others will point out but the only thing I can come up with is that he was so full of hate and vitriol and sowed so much discourse and division that he brought to the surface the systemic racism that still exists in this country. I am sure he has other accomplishments that need to be pointed out. If anyone can think of any please share.
     
    No Worries likes this.
  2. saitou

    saitou J Only Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2003
    Messages:
    3,490
    Likes Received:
    1,503
  3. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    53,902
    Likes Received:
    41,853
    Not everything he did was bad and I've given him credit for Criminal Justice Reform and getting the first CARES Act passed.

    The real tragedy of the Trump Presidency wasn't that he was grifting narcissist, we knew that coming in, but that he could've been the transformational President that transcended the parties. If he had actually done infrastructure instead of obsessing about the wall he likely would've had the support of Democrats. He could've addressed the opiod crisis that also likely would've gotten the support of Democrats. There were several opportunities during his administration that just doing a few things different and he could've gone down as an effective President who crossed divisions instead of exacerbating them.
     
  4. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2008
    Messages:
    16,308
    Likes Received:
    3,580
    He NEVER would get establishment support. This issue of support transends party line bc of that. He did what was right by his view. NOT the view of billionaires and internationalists.
     
    SuraGotMadHops and B@ffled like this.
  5. seemoreroyals

    seemoreroyals Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2018
    Messages:
    1,483
    Likes Received:
    1,631
    I agree with much of what you point out. Unfortunately he never pivoted to a more responsible form of governing. Therefore he will forever be known as a grifting narcissist. He had chance after chance after chance throughout his failed presidency to bring people together but instead he chose to deny, lie, and spread propaganda. Because of this, we cannot begin to understand how much work Biden has ahead of him to undo the damage trump has caused and to get us all back to a better place again.
     
    rocketsjudoka, mdrowe00 and Andre0087 like this.
  6. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    21,792
    Likes Received:
    18,588
    you might not know this but he claims to be a billionaire and he’s hire foreign workers ans have companies all over the world (internationalist)
     
    justtxyank, joshuaao and Ubiquitin like this.
  7. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2008
    Messages:
    16,308
    Likes Received:
    3,580
    I do know however his policies are better for America. America should be prioritized and he is far better than a neocon or neolib.
     
    SuraGotMadHops likes this.
  8. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    21,792
    Likes Received:
    18,588
    Push for EUA of monoclonal antibodies treatment (although laid not ground work to make it widely accessible; as usual, he left it to others which has so far been slow to provide it in a timely manner with ease of access).
     
  9. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,032
    Likes Received:
    16,912
    Melania better watch her six. Hope is gunning to be #4.
     
  10. Rashmon

    Rashmon Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2000
    Messages:
    19,211
    Likes Received:
    14,403
    [​IMG]
     
    Nook likes this.
  11. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    34,683
    Likes Received:
    33,681
    He laid bare our chief problem of domestic terrorism and conspiracy theorists. He showed that words do matter. They cannot be escalated ad infinitum without significant consequences. If people can hold onto those important ideas even for a few years, that could be a good thing.

    He created a roll call of GOP politicians who really stand for our model of government and which ones would just trample that for power. That's indelibly recorded in thousands of quotations now and the votes to certify the EC. That's a pretty striking piece of handiwork.

    not saying those outweigh the many negatives and corrosives. But I can think of no other person better able to bring all the Proud Boy types (from moms' basements and from congressional offices) into the light so quickly and so obviously.
     
    gatsby, Zboy, glynch and 9 others like this.
  12. Haymitch

    Haymitch Custom Title
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2005
    Messages:
    27,971
    Likes Received:
    23,148
    His undoing was covid. I think he'd have been reelected if not for his botching of handling the pandemic.

    I wish that people would have looked at Trump and thought, "damn, we centralize too much power and influence on just one person - we need to scale that back." But I don't think that is a takeaway that many have had. So, we will just chill until the next Trump and then act stunned again.
     
    gatsby, noppeper, malakas and 5 others like this.
  13. Hakeemtheking

    Hakeemtheking Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    Messages:
    9,193
    Likes Received:
    6,059
    Some of you guys might like some more meat in the bones, but I love skinny beautiful women. Lol
     
    Pole likes this.
  14. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    56,133
    Likes Received:
    47,976
    [​IMG]

    Remember when Ivanka was a simple Stuff Magazine pin up girl?
     
    gatsby and Hakeemtheking like this.
  15. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    19,630
    Likes Received:
    25,536
    He did far more damage than good. That's my opinion. What a terrible man and a terrible President.
     
  16. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,638
    Likes Received:
    10,545
    The stuff he helped broker between Israel and the rest of the middle east is more than any modern president. Although I don't agree with how he went about dealing with China, he did put China on notice that we are willing to go a "little crazy" if they push us too far. Criminal reform was good also.
     
  17. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    34,683
    Likes Received:
    33,681
    Experts do and will continue to debate what weighs more: ripping up the Iran nuclear deal or the pro-Israel treaty your reference. Time will tell, kind of.
     
    mdrowe00 likes this.
  18. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,638
    Likes Received:
    10,545
    Hard to know. It really depends on if Iran was truly living up to their side of the agreement. Only the guys at the Pentagon have that information.
     
  19. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    34,104
    Likes Received:
    13,481
    It seemed like even when he did the right thing, he did it the wrong way and for the wrong reasons or else regretted doing it in the first place.

    I doubt there was any potential there. His narcissism compels him. He was too psychologically broken to ever rise above politics -- he somehow found a basement under politics.

    I guess that's some kind of good, but he also increased these phenomena at the same time. He radicalized people. It's like giving Osama bin Laden credit for showing us there was a Muslim fundamentalist grievance against the USA.

    But this is an appreciation thread. But the nicest thing I can say is that there are some things he didn't choose to wreck. He screwed up the covid response, but he at least didn't get in the way of rapid development of the vaccine, for example. But it's pretty faint praise to say in some discrete areas you didn't get in the way.
     
    NotInMyHouse and foh like this.
  20. gifford1967

    gifford1967 Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    8,017
    Likes Received:
    3,854
    He didn't spark a nuclear exchange. That's about all I can give him.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now