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Scoop: Trump pardons expected today

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by deb4rockets, Dec 18, 2020.

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    It still wouldn't surprise me to see Trump pardon himself, Jared, and Ivanka before noon.
     
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    So..... who did he pardon that we don't know about?
     
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    I was thinking that at least he didn't pardon himself or his family but I could see him from AF-1 writing on a napkin that he pardons himself and his kids.
     
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    Is it possible we won't know all of the people that he pardoned until they are brought to trial?
     
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    This is the why I've been bringing up the issue of whether a pardon might mean they can't invoke the 5th Amendment in regard to testifying over what they were pardoned with.

    Also let's not forget that Bannon was arrested on a yacht after defrauding Trump supporters in a scam over the Wall.
     
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    My understanding is that pardons have to be officially part of the Presidential records. I might be wrong but for pardons to be in effect they have to be public.
     
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    Can the president issue “secret” pardons”?


    Another question occasionally raised is whether the President can issue pardons without informing the public. In a certain sense, the President appears to have the authority to issue a pardon that is not officially made public, i.e., a “secret” pardon. As historically understood, the only requirements for a valid pardon are that (1) the President grant it and (2) the recipient accept it. Under DOJ regulations, the Office of Pardon Attorney must mail warrants of pardon to their recipients to notify them of the grant of clemency, although it is unclear whether this rule would necessarily inform a President’s practice in situations where the Office of Pardon Attorney has not taken part in consideration of the pardon request. In any event, these regulations are advisory and cannot be interpreted in a way that would impinge on the President’s Article II authority. So while the President might issue a “secret” pardon, the recipient would ultimately have to produce the pardon in order to reap its benefits
     
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    Probably something that will be debated as the days and weeks go on, but...

    How to stop Trump's secret pardons
    https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/534222-how-to-stop-trumps-secret-pardons

    What Donald Trump Can — And Can't — Do with the Pardon Power
    https://time.com/5916785/donald-trump-presidential-pardon-questions/
     
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    One more...

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/pardons.pdf
     
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    I was just thinking this...lol.
     
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    I guess the point... pardons only protect against federal crimes and charges?

     
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    from the secret Pardon article

    not true ... Nina Myers got a secret pardon. So did Tony Almeda and Jack Bauer.
     
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