It's pretty simple. Viets are like Cubans. The first wave of older immigrants were the richer demographic in Vietnam that lost a lot because of communism. They were the well to do in Vietnam. Immigrants from other Asian countries are primarily people looking for more social mobility than their prior country. They had lesser status in their homeland. In regards to Koreans, many of the first immigrants were the women that married GI's. Let's just say a woman that marries an American is looked well upon in Korea and don't come from rich families. That has changed a little bit because of the global economy, but that is the dynamic that make Viets more Republican. Flips on the other hand are more relatively conservative because they are catholic and they love their guns.
I was referring to the overall conservatism. I really don't know anything about North and South Korea other than genaral knowledge
Continue to derail... What’s more interesting to me is why does the labeling of communism work? No body support that in the US and yet it seems a large % of certain groups think it’s a real threat here. Florida wasn’t close because of this issue. And the Dem took it for granted perhaps because they didn’t think the labeling would stick. But reality is it did stick and continue to be a strong reason for never-Biden/Dem.
That I completely understand... I know people that escape communism and lost all of their life work and accumulated wealth. How does the label stick to Biden and the Dem? That’s what I don’t understand.
Reagan fought communism and won, so Reagan is good. Reagan was a Republican so Republicans are against the communist and are also good.
Al Hoang, the Republican city councilman lost his seat to a political unknown, in 2012 i think, due to the political miscalculation at the time of going to Vietnam with the rest of the Houston economic delegation or council or whatever and shook hands with communist government officials. That picture blew up in Viet American news and email chains. Local Viet politics is just weird. Even though Houston has non partisan elections, everyone knows who belongs to what party. And the Viets lost our descriptive representation in district F during the last election. But Hubert Vo (D) has held strong as district 149 state rep ever since he beat the whitey in 2004 by 30 votes. We're discussing a Viet voting population of I don't know, 7,000 in Alief that are more candidate driven than big D vs big R driven. I witnessed the 2014 campaigns and both sides (Viets) were calling each other commies the whole way through... for a freakin state rep seat in Texas. Might as well go manage a Sonic and not let trans people use the bathroom of choice. It's the same impact on society. I kid... but not really.
Pretty good Op-Ed on how both Vietnamese Americans and MAGAs share a longing for a lost country/cause: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/01/14/south-vietnam-flag-capitol-riot/
I was told that Vietnamese temples would accuse each other of communism and would accuse each other of sending donation money back to the communist government in Vietnam back in the 80's to recruit congregation. Crazy stuff.
Brother won a Pulitzer. Damn, good for him. (edit: cool article - thanks for posting that) It's a decent comparison. I've been on a huge civil war kick over the holidays: movies, articles, podcasts (freaking facinating). I'd say the difference is the old Viet guys populating the cafes in various Little Saigons across the US lived and still remember their fallen country. The southerners who fly the confederate flag were born post WW2. It's not always the winners that write history, the writers of history write history. And while the Union was moving on, the South was stuck in era of looking for excuses and rewriting their past. The "redeemer" period following the fall of reconstruction was antrocity, not a redemption. Anyhow, I really don't think a subgroup of the Republic of Southern Viet decendents are going to be politically distinct 150 years later as they are now. 150 years later, they're not going to be like the MAGAs....but who knows, lol. I see it more as Americana, SP, Brazil. When some southerners couldn't accept the loss and moved to Brazil to set up plantations. They were assimilated by the 3rd generation, but they still celebrate confederacy day.
So 100 years later, this flag will still fly in Houston (not in DC) and I'm thinking there may be ceremonies and celebrations, but I don't think it will mean anything politically like the Confederacy flag does today. Is the world even going to exist in 100 years?
The Trump campaign and admin did a great job of infiltrating these media sources, they did the same in a lot of ethnic communities. I think it's the reason he won Florida and maybe Texas.
Seriously! Reading pgrabriel is like reading a toned down version of Ulysses. I read and I understand at best half of it. But @pgabriel I like it! This is my cup of tea. Write more stories like those. I like your prose.
It's not about communism in itself. It is about prosecution. Also it works the opposite way around too. Here the communists lost. In the Civil War of the 50s, brother was killing brother, they were hunting people up in the mountains. My great aunt told me how they beheaded their neighbour and put her head in a stick as an example. Then they continued by prosecuting their children. A communist child was beaten by their teachers daily and couldn't find any job. Their widows were living on the mercy of their neighbours and the police made it their job to keep a file of every communist family even if it was your grandpa. That went on until the 70s when the conservatives right wing went ahead just abolished democracy with a coup. So what happens now? The opposite from the past. Communists now are totally fine to walk around. A term without any emotional burden because they have suffered and spilled blood. They were the victims and the prosecuted and they have the high moral ground. But if you are a right winger you are easily called a fascist. Like if you are a socialist in america you are easily called a communist.
