Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

Seeking justification for any rioting/violence will increase the likelihood of rioting/violence from opposing political parties. Pointing that out is not the same as drawing an equivalence between the two. And it certainly doesn’t absolve Republican officials and media types who incited this violence from culpability.

This is another reason, IMO, why even if one thinks that activist violence is appropriate in some situations theoretically, pursuing the path in practice is almost always a bad idea.

 

“... on both sides”.

Well done. I’m guessing you got a good chuckle typing that. Thanks for making clear I am right as to exactly where you stand.

 

Read my reply to him.

 

This is real news!! The fun stuff starts at 1:12 mark.

 

roxran is not a conservative. he is an irrational right wing extremist authoritarian nationalist.

 

The capitalist system is not flawed but people just as yourself are flawed and have been for decades and decades ...if we let the system work and stop seeing color but seeing content of character and abilities then that is when we get to the pinnacle of capitalism being at its best and not just wealth distribution for the sake of being “fair”

 

No one is saying that activisg violence is appropriate. You need to understand the dif between bornative and positive statements. When MLK said that "riots are the language of the unheard" he wasn't making a moral claim on riots. He condemned riots as ineffective and immoral but he also understood human nature and when riots would naturally occur due to given socioeconomic conditions on the ground.

Zero riots occured from black activists because of people making this distinction. If you do believe that's the case then you would have to rationally believe that MLK is also responsible for riots

 

Well said and one reason why I've been saying we have to unequivocally speak out against this.

 

This is like a 100 meter dash where one runner shoots the other runner in the legs and after the race finishes explains how we should ignore people who are shot in the leg during races.

You don't get it. You have the privilege of ignoring race.

 

Again you're clouding the issue. Yes we all understand that "normative" is that people get angry and lash out and that you're not encouraging this. That said that is a rationalization that does end up justifying this type of behavior as acceptable "normative" if you like.

Yes people get angry and act out. People like Marco Rubio aren't using the same terms but they are basically saying that this normative behavior because so many feel angry that the election was "stolen" and they feel that courts and others aren't hear their evidence.

 

So MLK is responsible for riots?

 

Really my dude?

And you know this how?

I gave you Kudos for reversing your stance but it seems you still want to play this false equivalence game.

People lost their lives attaching themselves to the interest of civil rights and actually traveled to the south to fight it.

It's amazing How you can't stop pointing fingers after what happened.

Shame on you.

@B-Bob

 

...HAH!

...that all fits into the timeframe of when America was great!...

 

Normative statement - a "ought" statement that often has a moral claim behind it.

Ex: we ought to reduce the federal deficit.

Positive statements - a statement that has no moral claim behind it and is just a statement of reality(doesn't have to be accurate)

Ex: the sky is green

Just to clear things up on the definitions.

MLK said the exact same things regarding riots. Do you think he helped increase the frequency of riots by merely acknowledging that riots will happen when certain socioeconomic conditions occur on the ground?

Again, name me a country that has a 1000% wealth gap between the two largest racial make ups of a nation and doesn't experience rampant riots and violence.

 

Wow dude.

So you are that guy.

Blacks are disadvantaged because of culture?

Families are the only way to teach values?

So all of these people who rioted where the product of single family homes?

So what's your excuse for Trump voters who blame everybody for all the ills in their life?

Single mothers?

How ignorant can a person be.

 

MLK’s comment was undoubtedly true, and it’s applicable regardless of whether the cause of the “unheard” is noble or delusional.

I was referring to people who took it a step further and actually defended the riots as necessary for change. Many were doing so.