curry been killing and still dont have better advanced numbers than harden playing at about 50% of his capabilities. Right now curry and harden are both shooting 45 percent from the field. curry at 39 percent from 3, harden at 38 percent from 3. harden 89% from the line, curry at 95% from the line Harden still leads curry in win shares per 48 and offensive box plus minus, they are neck and neck in VORP.. despite the fact that curry has played in 3 more games than harden. But i'll letyou curry stans live a little tonight. Harden averaging 27/11/4 and is being talked about for not trying hard enough. No other player is held to the standard harden is. What curry did tonight would be seen as a afterthough or blown off if harden did it. Harden scoring 20-25 makes news for the wrong reasons
Still desperately trying to make a case for Harden being better or even on Curry’s level. Again, 3 x Champion and 2 x MVP vs. 1 MVP and ZERO finals appearances as a Rocket. 6 x TURNOVER champion doe.
zero finals mvps.. just another bob cousy. under 17,000 career points for an elite scorer is pathetic, not enough prime years. harden has curry beat in longevity. more all-nba teams, more all-stars etc
That's awesome, except that i will take the 3 rings over all those things that doesn't really mean much. Harden is one of the best regular season players ever. Curry is awesome too, but probably a step below Harden in the heavy lifting, mostly due to size and health, but he make his teams better, and he has proved that building a team around him can lead to a championship. Meanwhile, Harden has choked every step of the way on the playoffs. How can people argue against the most obvious stat , its incredible to me . Nba Championships : 3 to 0. That's the end of the conversation, this is not comparing the 15th guy on the bench vs Harden. This is nba super star vs nba super star, and unless Harden does something to change this in the future, it will continue to be this way.
The thread title has never been about Harden. Folks hijacked it and ran with it. The obsession ended with Morey leaving.
The problem is, we all know Curry will get injured. I don't think he can sustain it throughout the whole year.
The rings argument is so baffling to me, like you really think if Harden had Curry's stacked ass teams he wouldn't win them too loooool
Harden is the better over all payer than Steph. He gets more from less. Always has. That being said Steph is an elite player. Both guys can put on a show.
Contributions to the ring. And yeah Horry had more contributions to his rings than Derek Fisher. Although Derek Fisher was pretty good of a role player in the playoffs. Somehow people think the Triangle needs a 20 ppg scorer PG, nah, it just needs someone who can shoot, just one skill, shooting. If your only job skill requirement of your career is to shoot, then you would have done a good job. Derek Fisher is arguably a better shooter in Playoff clutch situations than CP3.......it's close ....think about that. (Not overall just in those situations.) That said, Duncan's teams always got the better of CP3's teams. Fisher and Horry are Top 5 or Top 10 role players of All time.
How is the ring argument baffling? When analyst are ranking players they are going to always take rings into consideration. And rightfully so. This is a super easy premise to understand. Just like analyst are going to consider team success combined with individual success in any MVP considerations.
Lol, I don't think anyone is going to go that deep down the rabbit hole say something that stupid. They have to be similar types of players or be in similar roles/tiers. Harden to Curry is debatable because they both are considered superstars. I doubt anyone is ever going to say something as dumb as Danny Green was a better player than Reggie Miller, just because Green has 3 rings and Miller has 0.
People on this site are so desperate to validate Harden. They don't care who they pull down just as long as they can push Harden up. It's really sad that a bunch of grown men spend all their time trying to defend a guy that no longer wants to be apart of the organization anymore. Steph is a great player, Harden is a great player, just appreciate these guys greatness. This is literally one of the stupidest threads on CF. But again I'm not surprised because most of you guys absolutely don't know $hit about the game outside of the Rockets.
I would say it is interesting. For example Vince Carter (zero rings) was a pretty good Allstar. Now 36 year old Vince Carter who was a role player. I would grade him with a B as a star player but as a role player he was decent. He missed winning a ship with Dallas by half a year. Some guys just aces their exams doing the dirty work.
