Oh man, context matter! Being revolutionary and starting a revolution with actions to back it up are two very different thing. If BLM said we are starting a revolution and broken through security at the Captial and entered the building while Congress was doing the business of counting electors for a Trump presidency, that's a coup attempt.
It clearly is not seen as ceremonial by Trump who wanted Pence to stop Biden from being certified as president. Regardless of how you frame it, the people storming into the capitol building did not see it as ceremonial and were actively looking to change the outcome.
It was an attempted coup, not a successful one. Do you even know what a coup is? Maybe tomorrow, you'll come back and tell us "my bad, I didn't understand yet another thing I was arguing" as is your typical pattern here.
It is the same thing. The difference between revolution, coup and terrorism is which way of the fench you sit. Terrorism as a term started where? In the French Revolution. Terrorists think they are revolutionists who make the world a better place. They dont go out thinking they are evil and criminals. One country's/nations/affiliation terrorists is another country's/nations'/affiliation revolutionaries.
I know it would take more than lead pipes for a successful attempt it was a riot, there is organization behind real coup attempts
Some of these people were indeed crazy, and I suspect there were other things they said on Parler or Facebook that is more direct evidence of a desired coup, like “we need to take back the government by force”. I had doubted that they really believed they could pull it off by storming the Capitol building, but I could have been mistaken.
It certainly was organized, and had Trump any semblance of competence this could have been far far worse. If they had taken the capitol - which they did - and tried to hold on with munitions that certainly would have created a difficult situation. Had Pence not called in the national guard (Trump did not), they still could be in the building. Whether you want to call it a riot or an attempt at a coup / revolution is fairly moot. Bottom line is that a sitting President directed his supporters to attack the capitol building. All those involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. This isn't spray painting a Starbucks, it's an attack on the capitol where our legislature was in session. All those involved in stoking this mess should at least resign if not face criminal charges.
Smh It was by any definition an attempted coup It was half assed and poorly executed but that does not change what it was
Trump wasn't trying to stay in power. Let's say they stopped the vote, what would have happened next?
Wrong as usual. Trump asked Pence to stop and/or over turn the certification. He was absolutely trying to stay in power.
...look... ...I am not a conspiracy theorist...at all... ...but it's no wonder that that capitol police chief was fired/and/or resigned... ...because I don't know if this was simply incompetence, negligence, willful ignorance, or complicity...
No conspiracy. This **** is clear as day. Missed the chief resigning. Probably on a fast sub to Russia tonight.
A poorly executed and failed coup is still a coup . We don't judge coup or not based solely or even mostly on the outcome, but on the actions and if we know the intention, even better. Intention isn't always cleary known but, in this case, it was stated. You can choose to interpret it other ways, but it was stated. The actions speak for itself. There was a sudden, irregular, illegal, large violence force occupying the Capital causing a displacement of the full House of Congress precisely while they were doing the business of counting the electors for a Biden presidency.
